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    Ask anything about week 4 lesson and materials and get an answer from a senior Kabbalah instructor.

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    • #60511
      Alicia Thompson
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      Thank you for this video.

      I guess opening the session explaining that it’s forbidden because it’s impossible to explain makes me feel it’s acceptable I’m a bit murky on the last bit. If it’s something I will understand further in the course feel free not to answer.

      I’m just not quite understanding equivalently of form with the mind of creator/thought of creation.

      Behina Dalet

      is that basically because now sharing understanding of creation, or creators intent, it decides to play its part freely(and with pleasure) to satisfy the thought of creation?/intent of creator?

      thank you so much

      thank

      • #60535

        Alicia,
        We have an important concept called, as light excels from darkness.
        The Creator created a will to receive that in the meantime only feels itself as a desire to receive.
        Forbidden, impossible, it’s like putting a steak before a baby.  Not only does the baby not relate at all to what is before him, but he doesn’t even have teeth or a digestive system to eat it and absorb it, his system is not yet prepared.  That’s a baby, but what about a fetus, you can’t give a fetus a steak and even the seed and egg.
        And towards spirituality we are not even implanted in the womb yet, this first zero state is the beginning of our switch from reception towards bestowal.
        At first we don’t have any way to attain the light, but as light excels… we can accostom ourselves from our state of reception to feel what is it not to receive that is already something.
        However, here too there is a discernment, there is ‘to receive’ which we cannot prevent, as the Creator made a desire to receive, but there is also the intention to receive.  On this intention we will do all of our spiritual work.
        To answer your question, we need to go through a process of being:
        receivers in order to receive
        bestow in order to receive
        bestow in order to bestow
        receive in order to bestow
        We will learn together,
        Seth@KabU

    • #59508
      Seraphim
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      This question is about those proportions of enjoyment at Behina Gimmel (10% or 20%, etc.). Do I understand this correctly if, for example, I am doing something I ordinarily enjoy like eating ice cream or swimming in a cool lake on a hot day, if 10% of my thinking “I am really enjoying this” consists also of the thought “Thank God for this ice cream” or “Thank God for this swim.”

      That is, phenomenologically, what am I calculating exactly, and how am I calculating it? Is it the percentage of gratitude that I exert effort to feel in the moment of pleasure, or is it something else?

      Does this mean that the thought of the tsaddik becomes 100% gratitude in feeling pleasure, such that it is no longer the pleasure itself that the tsaddik takes pleasure in, but rather the pleasure of the gratitude to the Creator for bestowing the pleasure?

      • #59548

        Seraphim,
        Rabash uses an allegory about carrying the bag of famous person.  Suppose a great kabbalist came to town and you met him at the airport.  You would run to carry his bag, and if he tried to pay you, you would say, no, no, I don’t need to be paid, to carry your bag, to do something for you is my reward.
        We see there that serving a great person is reward, the work is the reward.
        So we see that it is not swimming or eating or even carrying heavy bags that we are concerned with, but our attitude towards the Giver.
        This special attitude is called a special light from above as a result of many operations below,  that comes and corrects our will to receive at first say 10% as in your example, until we have corrected all of our will to receive, which means piece by piece, absorbing more of the world into myself until I include all the world in my own heart and to justify (l’hatzdik…related to Tzadik) the Creator.
        Seth@KabU

    • #59354
      Elizabeth Is
      Partícipe

      The Creator wants us to enjoy everything.   I’m starting to get that.  But are there lessons in our suffering or are we just failing to see the intention?  Is it the flip side of a coin? Great loss teaches us great love?  Is awareness necessary?  Is consciousness free will aand do we take it with us when we die?  Sorry,  it’s even hard to verbalize Kabbalah and trying to grasp.  Thanks!

      • #59471

        Eizabeth,
        Everything is part of the picture, all the left and all the right.
        There are two matters here, one is the purpose of creation, which is to create a creature and fill it with delight.
        And prior to that is the correction of creation, where we correct our vessels to feel pleasure in bestowal instead of in reception.  Of course we will always receive and remain as receivers, after all the only creation that the Creator made is a will to receive, so we will remain receiving, but our work is to correct the intention from receiving in order to receive to receiving in order to bestow.

        So little by little, step by step a new light shines for us and illuminates some darkness and we make a correction on it and then again a new light shines and illuminates some darkness and we make a correction.  There are many many emotional discernments along the way and much is sorted in the mind.

        The first advice that I would give you hear is to begin to make a line and below the line is your animal life, like all animals, this includes food, family, work, bills, etc.  We need to manage our life like normal people (if there is such a thing in this upside down world), but we don’t try to love the person we are making a business deal with and they end up with all the money and we end up with $0.
        We make that line and above that line is where we are learning about the wisdom of kabbalah and soon we will start to practice what we learn with the friends that we are studying with.  Under that line we are not kidding ourselves that the world is ready to accept “love your neighbor as yourself” and we are getting kicked around from here to there trying to implement what we learn out on the street.
        And then later slowly slowly we will see how even the animate and vegetative and inanimate all become included in the spiritual and everything rises with the human.
        This is all in front of us.
        Step by step, slowly slowly,
        Seth@KabU

    • #59053
      Ali Nadalipour
      Partícipe

      Hi

      When u r talking  about keli in these four phases y r not talking about humans only it is about essence of being.i m right, aren’t I?

      • #59346

        Ali,
        Yes, at this point we are only talking about the “blueprint” of creation, there is no human yet.
        Seth@KabU

    • #58960

      After watching the screen video, i realize how lost i had been, meaning, that is, as it right now, i had no idea of the conception of what spiritual growth meant. I get it know, and perhaps many of us have achieved such dynamic of accepting for pleasing the host ina unconcious way, but i had no idea what lied concealed from our senses and therefore our mind and thought. Than you.

    • #58804

      ok then, when we reach the 4 phase of creation or Malchut, here is where everything array goes wrong, and egoistic desires set us apart from the creator, or iam wrong? and thats what will need to be corrected, right?

      Thak you.

       

      • #58925

        Ricardo,
        There is no “us” in this study yet, we are still learning the blueprint of creation.
        The purpose of creation is to fill creation with good.  In order for the Creator to fill creation with all of His good, so creation needs to have an endless desire.  So this is malchut, an endless desire.
        After that we will learn about additional operations and eventually we will reach the shattering of the vessel of Adam HaRishon which is what you are referring to.
        Seth@KabU

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