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Why do Kabbalists teach that ‘we’, ‘you’, and ‘I’, all of ‘us’, are Actually, Factually, in Truth, separated from the Creator by our inborn ‘will to receive’ when the Kabbalists themselves tell us that this illusion of separation all a “fantasy” of the Creator?
The paragraph below is from, “Kabbalah, Science and the Meaning of Life”, page 33:
“In this state, when an individual in our world wants to discover the Creator, the desire will seem to come first. Thus, a person will be able to give to the Creator out of free will, and this will constitute one’s form of free giving. You might say that from the perspective of the Creator it is nothing but a fantasy, and that the Creator really runs the show. Although this is true, it does not diminish the fact that from the perspective of the creature, the concealment of the Creator enables the creature to feel independent.”
It is obviously True then, from the writings of the Kabbalists themselves, that this whole scenario of a separation between the Creator who Bestows, and His Creature who only receives, is Actually just a “fantasy” from the Creator’s “perspective”. “the Creator really runs the show.”
So the Creator sets this whole illusion up as His own “fantasy”, that His primary and essential Quality is “Bestowal”, and then He creates a creature opposite to his essential Quality – with essentially a “will to receive”; He then plays out this whole game: of inversion of our will to receive to a will to bestow, climbing the 125 steps, Torah and mitzvot of 613 “correction”, and the final “adhesion” to Him – all in His own Mind, His Divine and Perfect “fantasy”.
So “the perspective of the creature”, in the multitude of “shattered” fragments, is Actually the Creator’s “fantasy”, and not a Fact at all. He remains Eternally and Everlastingly ONE. “the concealment of the Creator” from the creature, is Actually a “concealment” that He, Himself, places in His own Mind, as a part of His “fantasy.”
So why does Kabbalah teach, on the one hand, that this is all a “fantasy” of the Creator’s, and then teach, as Fact, that the Creator’s ‘fantasy” is Real? Why not just teach the Actual Truth, that the Creator is Eternally ONE, that our seeming “individual life” is Truly an illusion, that there is none else besides Him? Why all this elaboration on the illusion, the inversion, the 125 steps, etc.?
Why not just teach techniques that the seeker can implement to point their Attention directly at this “fantasy”, to look within their own Beingness and become directly Aware of the Reality of the Creator as what I AM?
Thank you. Blessings to all.
I didn’t hear from Kabbalists that there is a method like what you’re describing in the last paragraph. I’ll “look within” myself (which is 100% desire to receive, the opposite of the Creator) and “become directly aware” of the reality of the Creator (impossible because all those concealments were intentionally created by Him, and He didn’t provide in nature a secret key to be able to skip over them – as they have an essential purpose) “as what I am?”. This is not the case. I’m not the Creator, we’re the opposite of Him, the Desire to Receive, and it isn’t the truth that ultimately we find out that we’re Him. The end state is Creator & Creature, the Creature having overcome all the concealments, but in so doing (just as the completion of homework is not the end goal but what the child becomes out of completing it) we become similar to the Creator. We remain separate but similar in quality and then we’re together with Him as partners.
But your question is very similar to your last question, the essence of which was: why does Kabbalah contradict itself. If you have time and interest, I address that in this session on Psalms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJ9OsfFKKQ&t=543s
Thank you Beloved Gianni, for your kind response. I can see clearly now, based on your response above: “The end state is Creator & Creature”, and, “We remain separate but similar in quality and then we’re together with Him as partners”, that Kabbalah is not a complete teaching. This is definitely not a criticism at all, but just an observation. Separation, in the way Kabbalah teaches, is definitely a “fantasy”, not the “end state.”
But, It is all in the Creator’s Will, and His Will is Perfection. All teachings are His Will, and everyone who is participating in any school of religion or Spirituality is simply carrying out the Creator’s Perfect Will for them. It’s all good, always.
Blessings to all.
Correct. In the way you’re speaking, the method of Kabbalah is not a complete teaching. In some places – in the Zohar, for example – there are some hints as to what happens after “the final correction” but Kabbalah does not teach about them. Kabbalah only teaches about what is in front of the student to do practically.
Dear Gianni, Thanks again to the Creator for this great Kabbalah Teaching and these uplifting and informative forums.
You say that the Zohar gives some “hints as to what happens after, “the final correction”, but Kabbalah does not teach about them.” Perhaps, but perhaps not. In one of the books, “Attaining The Worlds Beyond”, I read that True Kabbalah Knowledge comes directly from Above, and fills all the senses and the intellect simultaneously. But this only happens to those who have already experienced it. Reading the books will not do it alone. Even doing all the practices taught by Kabbalah correctly and diligently will not do it. Ultimately it is the Creator who Reveals Himself to each of His Creations, in His time and in His Will.
This is why, ultimately, the whole idea that ‘you’ and ‘I’, and all of ‘us’, have any control or choice over this ultimate Revelation has to be abandoned. In another path, this is called the “delusion of doership”.
The next step after the final correction is just Oneness, not adhesion. Because the final state is not a state of ‘you’, and ‘I’, separated over ‘here’ and the Creator over ‘there’, no matter how ‘tightly’ we are adhering together. And this is never a “doing” on ‘our’ part. It happens when it happens, all according to His Grace. ‘You’ and ‘I’ may diligently study Kabbalah, or any other Spiritual Teaching, for many lifetimes, and not get this Final Revelation of Oneness with the Creator. And, there are instances of very coarse egotistical people suddenly becoming totally spiritual. His Will, not ours.
This does not in any way imply that studying Kabbalah and applying the principles and practices of “free will” taught here should be given up. It just needs to be always in the fore of Awareness that, as quoted above, “the Creator really runs the show”.
Blessings to all.
To Video 1.5: in fact whole of my purpose what I’ve ever had in life since when I am here was to share the joy I felt inside enjoying the others receiving it and giving it back. I remained in that phase, because – as I can percieve so far – didn’t receive it. But I know they would be happy receiving and giving it back, so I’ve always wished (and worked on) they may receive it – now, what do I do here? – is this the will to bestow, or will to receive? I am happy if they are happy, so they go first – this is will to bestow in order to receive? Or will to receive in order to bestow? 🧐🙄 Confused
The reason you’re confused is that you think you’re already somewhat implementing this in your life. To do what the Kabbalists speak of, even a bit, is to already open up the spiritual world. Therefore, there’s something missing. All our relations in this world, no matter how kind, are egoistic, and the difference between people is that we enjoy from different things. Some even have fun doing acts of charity or dedicating their entire lives to it. That’s great, but it isn’t spiritual and that’s why such people remain in this world until their dying day. And each must return to this world to learn the difference between me – meaning how the Creator made me, which is in 100% reception without a shred of bestowal; and the Creator’s nature, 100% bestowal without a shred of reception. If you continue to study the Reforming Light will work, and like a flashlight, shine upon the desire and clarify the confusion.
Thank you, Gianni, you’re right, I play experiencing a bit with the both qualities of receiving and bestowal. Differencienting what is what getting a feeling of them, and of Myself feeling them. My heart flows in joy when someone achieve his goal for example, or have a succes in what he whished to, I so wish them and am happy about them – that is bestowing, or not? Or I so love to tell the people the holy attributes I see in them – is this not betowing? If I just stay in peace somewhere, so I bestow my environment with peace. If I ask someone smth I trust him he can give me en answer, so I bestow trust to him and gratefulness for his bestowing. Do I see wrong? I am exercising for a couple of years on giving like I receive from Creator, but yes, only alone, and in time sequences, because I had no friends on this level, and connected friends is core, I can confirm it from my experience.
Everything is bestowing, everything I am writing here for example. Because I decided (somewhen) that God’s Will is my Will and to give myself to the Holy Spirit following His guidance even then, when I am uncouncious. I think that the quality of self-giving, of devoting, of self-dedicating is printed in the female aspect. The willingness to die actually. The male aspect is defending and avoiding death, and the death is only in the mind, while the women let the death go through herself. She is somehow more near to death and life, even through her cycle and giving birth to children. The death takes place in her essence. Bestowing is like dying.
I’m not going into your specific situation. Kabbalists say that what was created is only the Will to Receive, Malchut. Except that it was integrated with the quality of Bina. Then there was a shattering by which the quality of Bina was mixed in little bits into the quality of Malchut. From then on, the only bestowal that a person has is bestowal in order to receive. This is even further from the quality of the Creator than regular receiving. In other words, the quality of Bina, broken inside Malchut, is under Malchut’s control; and a complete inversion needs to occur, and this is only through the Reforming Light in the study of Kabbalah.
1.To Video 1.4 about Parsut (?): So, can I say in other words that in Parsut bestowing and receiving are one? In quality and in will, the lower self or ego ceasing to exist becoming a chanel in giving to others what it receives from above?
2. Did I understand right?, bestowing in order to receive is still within the ego, what is an “another way around ego” experiencing minus, or lack? But if others would bestow back to it what it has been bestowing, and if it would have receiving it, it would have been working, right? Isn’t this the ground on which “treat your brother like you want to be treated” and “love thy brother as thyself” take place? But yes, only with the condition of interconnection, and here is the critical pont.
Hi Clara,
(1) The Partzuf is divided in 3, and in the middle part, the Toc, it receives in order to bestow – so, yes it’s reception is bestowal. But it has another part, the Rosh, which only measures whether it will be able to do so – that is receive the pleasure in order to bestow. And there is a third part, the Sof, in which it cannot receive the pleasures to bestow, so that remains empty. Every spiritual degree has these 3 parts.
Hi! I have a question, or maybe more of a reflection. As my studies progress I find myself a bit confused by the fact that the I find that a big portion of the texts have a scientfic flavor, that is they are not often written in a language full of emotional expressions. At the same time I can feel a lot of things happening in me on an emotional level. I is as if I can sense my emotions and affects more clearly. Thankful for reflections on this phenomenon.
Warmly//Julius
The wisdom itself is a science, meaning there is a system of laws that we’re under and other systems, systems of bestowal, that we enter. As we do so, and even as we get close to them, we start to feel them. We perceive everything in feeling, but the systems are lawful, as in our world that can be described solely according to mechanics, on the still, vegetative and animate levels. Even on our level, absolutely everything could be described mechanically, lawfully. It’s the upper will that we’ll feel as if we’re separate beings, independent of this system, but it is not really so. Long story short, the wisdom is indeed a hard science – even harder than physics – but how we feel it is in our emotions, like we feel our lives emotionally in sensations, feelings. Kabbalists don’t describe spirituality emotionally, as rule. Because you cannot convey emotions. We can talk about excitement or love in our world because each person can imagine them – of course we don’t understand each other and each pictures them differently. But when it comes to spiritual emotions, only true Kabbalists have felt them, the Upper World, and therefore there’s nothing to talk about other than to provide the science that brings the person himself to become a Kabbalist. All that’s written is things to make that come to pass, and no wisdom, no knowledge, nothing else besides this.
I’m struggling to remember all of the terms in Kabbalah (for example: Adam Kadmon, Atzilut, Beria, Yetzira, Assiya, or the 10 Sefirot). How important is it important that I begin to memorize these terms?
Below is a quote from, “Kabbalah, Science and the Meaning of Life”, page 31:
“The root of the Hebrew word Nivra (created being) stems from the word Bar (outside). Thus, the term “creature” or “created being” refers to something or someone outside the Creator’s will.”
Please explain how the above quote can be True, how can the “created being” actually BE outside of the Creator’s Will? Kabbalah teaches that the Creator is all there IS, and all that is Created IS His Will because there is no opposing Will or Force.
It is Known in this aspect of the Creator, that referring to any of aspect of Creation as being somehow “outside” of the Creator’s Will is a non sequitur. It can’t possibly follow that He can Will something into Reality, and have this something not be His Will. The Creator is Perfect, and His Creations are Perfect, in the instant of their Creation.
We can speak about the “Whole”, and the ax that can cut out a “part”, and speak about that “part” as being “apart” from the Whole. And then this seemingly separate “part” goes through a process of “correction” and reunification with the Creator. This can be a part of the Kabbalah Teaching, for His Divine Purposes. But His Essence is Eternally imprinted in all that the Creator Creates. So there can never be an Actual part of Creation that is outside of His Perfect Will. In Fact and in Truth there is just One, and He IS that ONE. As one of the Creator’s Infinitude of Aspects, ‘I’ am Eternally at One with Him. There is no “other” way to BE.
How does Kabbalah explain this quote above, in Light of the Creator’s Unity and Perfection?
Thank you. Love and Blessings to all.
Hi John,
The creature is outside the Creator’s will because there is a space for free choice. Every concept in Kabbalah contains a thing and its opposite. That’s because there are 3 lines. One is the right. One is the left. And then the middle line is where we discover the Creator’s quality in between them. So, it’s not that you’ve located the contradiction in the Kabbalistic teachings, but rather you have yet to locate the contradiction in each and every Kabbalistic teaching. This is how reality is built: from a thing and its opposite. With the reality before us we understand that it’s built that way: an atom has plus and minus inside, etc. And we know that out of these opposite. But the spiritual world is not ready-made. We build it, out of the opposites. Thus, you’re already asking about the part where only the student has to sort it out, and sort it out – in the end – only be reaching a new quality, like the atom born out of opposites. The result: one finds out that, yes, both are true together, in a way we could not imagine in our previous qualities.
Thank you, Beloved Gianni, for your kind response.
Yes, “a space for free choice”, as you say, is a part of the Kabbalah Teachings. And yes, it is also the teaching of other Spiritual paths, that opposites resolve into One as the student “climbs” to higher and higher levels of Spiritual “evolution”. Like the model of the Tree of Life, there is the right-hand pillar of Mercy, the left-hand path of Severity, and the middle path of Perfect balance in Him.
But all of these teachings are still at the lowest levels of Spiritual Truth. They are a necessary part of the Teachings, not just in Kabbalah, but in most of the other paths available to Truth-Seekers around the world. When the “part” has not even the slightest Awareness that Oneness is all there IS, then the Teaching has to begin with addressing the “part” as if it really is an individual, and that free choice is really available.
This is all the Creator’s Program, His Perfect Will, to unfold His Perfection, to His “creatures”, and allow them this “space for free choice”. This is all good, all just exactly and precisely what the Creator initially has Chosen to give out as Truth.
What this ‘I’, this aspect of the Creator writing Here, is bringing to the Awareness of all students of this Kabbalah Path to Truth, is that ultimately, in the final stroke of Revelation, the Creator Awakens Itself, in ‘you’, in ‘me’, in all of ‘us’, as Himself. There never was a ‘you’ or a ‘me’ that was a separate creature, with opposite characteristics, unholy, selfish desires, etc. Time and Space, these seemingly isolated corporeal bodies, planets, stars, galaxies, etc., all that seems to be His Creation, apart from Him, at the opposite end of His Holiness, in terms of form, is really just a game He plays with Himself. There is no other.
We can seem to “choose” to pick our environment and use the “ten” to facilitate an easier correction, read the coded words of the Zohar to further this correction process along, and advance through the unfolding Reshimot through the next level and the next and the next, to the final 125th step to Perfect Adhesion with the Creator, and this is all one of the best games in the world of Spiritual teachings today.
But there is only the Creator. It is all His Free Will, all His Doing, not ‘yours’, or ‘mine’. But until the final Revelation, the Teachings will speak in this manner. And His “Work” is already Done, Complete, Finished, right HERE, right NOW. There is no time and space. There are no steps in Eternity. There IS no ‘other’ way for His Perfection to BE. But we can all pretend that we really are separate creatures, advancing to our highest perfection. This is all His Will.
It is seen in the posts and the questions of these Beloved Kabbalah students that there is a great desire for Truth and Spiritual fulfillment, to uplift the world with the Bestowal of the Creator’s Giving. This is wonderful. The ‘I’ writing HERE, is greatly Blessed to be in this group and in these Kabbalah Teachings.
So the intention HERE is to just share this Awareness: it’s all good, even when it seems ‘bad’. There’s no need for concern, no need for confusion, no need to fear failure. You are already in the Creator, intrinsically, inextricably, and Eternally One with Him. The Teachings are just a great game to come “Home” to your Truth Truth, as Him.
Blessings to all.
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