- This topic has 279 replies, 119 voices, and was last updated hace 1 semana, 2 días by
.
- Respuestas
I was at a Christian church this morning and the service was about prayer. The service went over Jesus in Gethsemane and his prayer that not his will be done but the will of the creator. The whole service was about the creators will be done and not the creation. It was exactly this message about changing egoism to altruism. Arguably, the self sacrifice of Jesus brought billions into ‘religion’. And religion is how many start their relationship with the creator. It did for me, until it wasn’t enough. I dont feel many inconsistencies in my heart between the two teachings. Where do the teachings diverge, not on a dogma level, but on a core heart level?
David,
I’m going to leave that up to you to decide and discover.
I can write pages about the difference, but that won’t help you.
Here you found a method, a practical, pragmatic, realistic method, a well worn path that the kabbalists traversed and wrote about so that we can follow after them.
Here is a blog post by our teacher, the kabbalist Rav Laitman.
Also at the bottom of the post you will find links to other posts and you can enjoy the process of discovery as you wish.
Keep in mind, we are not trying to convince anyone at any church or anywhere about what we are studying, we only make the method available, but to a person who must have it, who desires it, who finds it and needs it. There is no coercion in spirituality, only desire.
https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/publications/blog/laitman-com/160113
Good luck!
Seth@KabU
Is there a typical path for progressing in the understanding of the Wisdom of Kabbalah? I am very committed because the teachings are really answering a call within me. Should I expect a couple of years of study before I feel I’m truly getting somewhere with the teachings?
Lora,
This depends on your preparation, your effort, on luck :), many things.
The path is well defined and simple.
And the material is learned very naturally.
Participate in these courses and digest the material, this is like breast milk or mashed peas and apple sauce. It is the very simple primary nutrients to progress to really chewing the material, digesting it, making it a part of you.
Make a consistent framework that you can stick with in your life.
Not more than you can comfortably commit to.
Start with something that you can keep.
You will build on that.
You’ll look back in a month, a few months, you’ll see already how much you understand, how much you are developing, how you feel connected to some upper system.
Seth@KabU
“The intention of the Creator is to raise man through all of the worlds until man is equivalent with the Creator.”
When man is equivalent with the Creator, does this mean that man IS the Creator, or that man is an additional, new Creator?
I’m confused as to whether there is One thing (none else besides him) or Two things, The Creator and the creature (who eventually grows into a Creator?)
Will we grow into essentially the perfect counterpart for the Creator, or discover we are the Creator?
Shel,
Your curiosity and the development of your questions is correct.
You will have to get used to that the answers in the wisdom of kabbalah do not enter a person’s ear.
It is correct that in wrestling in your mind with the concepts and formulating the questions, this is the correct method. But that you will hear a few words and that will resolve the question, that is not correct. Our method is built on questions and answers, this helps us to build in our internality a correct vessel.
You can speak to your son about going out on his first date, but until he is there on the date with the apple of his eye, with all of those emotions and chemicals coursing through his body, this he needs to go through himself.
So we can speak a lot about what will happen after you acquire a spiritual vessel and what will you feel there and what will it be, but this doesn’t mean anything to us except for fun facts to write in our notebook.So, for fun, let’s give you some fun facts for your notebook 😉
All of our study deals with a process called the 6000 years of creation. Of course you should already know that we are not talking about how many times the earth travelled around the sun, these numbers all speak of qualities, not quantities. That 6000 years is the time for the correction of the vessel until the “end of correction” when the entire vessel has changed from reception to bestowal.
Keep in mind that during this entire time we remain as a desire to receive, this is the creation that the Creator created. Currently we are a desire to receive with an intention to receive.
All our work is to draw the light that develops us to invert that intention to receive into an intention to bestow.
In spirituality proximity is measured by equivalence of form, so as we become bestowing, we become like the Creator, more than like the Creator, it is called that we are in dvekut, adhesion with the Creator..until we reach the end of correction, this is the degree that the authors of the Zohar wrote to us from.
What happens in the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th millennia, our books don’t speak.
When we get there, we will know.
Seth@KabU
Roger,
How do you know when you are in Spain?
You bought a plane ticket, you packed a bag. Exactly what wind conditions and delays, turbulence, that you didn’t control, but you did many things that are clear in order to arrive.
And when you are there, it’s clear that it’s not Alaska. It feels different, you feel that it is a different place.
If course in spirituality it doesn’t matter to us about getting on an airplane, but we acquire new vessels of perception and with them we feel.
We feel the eternal existence that exists outside of our self serving ego.
Seth@KabU
Hello,, I am new to Kabbalah,but not to religion. The Bible tells us to examn ourselves, and repent for our sins. By doing this we feel we are being watched and judged. We ask for forgiveness so we feel better towards ourselves. I now see that is religon. If I understand the Kabbalah view now, We are to examine ourselves to see how we are not in line with the likeness of God. We are told to repent so that we will examine ourselves. Yes?
Thank you Seth, so just keeping the intention and examining our choices to become a vessel for the Light enough?
Roger,
Is there something in your life that you have spent a lot of time and effort on? Maybe to become a musician? Or do you read books? Maybe work in the garden or kitchen? How about being a dad. Even video games.
You know that when you become an expert or more than a lay person at it, you start to understand and feel all of the nuance and discernments.
You tell a 5 year old to kick the soccer ball and you tell Messi to kick the soccer ball. It means two totally different things. With Messi, it’s 100,000 hours of training and coaches and traveling and victory and losses.
So let’s say “keep the intention” and “examine our choices” but we understand very clearly that we are at the beginning of understanding what this means.
Seth@KabU
Don,
Everything in creation is the Creator. He operates our reality through two general forces, you know about them, you’ve read about them all your life, in the beginning of the creation of the heaven (+) and earth (-).
The (+) force we call bestowal, that is what emanates from the Creator and enlivens all of reality.And all of reality, creation itself is a will to receive pleasure, a (-) force that manifests on four degrees: inanimate, vegetative, animate and speaking.
Until now we are 100% controlled by that will to receive. Examine yourself and see and the more you can identify this the more you will be able to advance quicker, as it says the Lord is high and the low will see. Specifically when we can see that we are totally governed by Him in everything, he controls all of our desires, then we have a need for Him to give us a second nature, a nature of bestowal like He has.
On the three preceding degrees: inanimate, vegetative, animate, they receive instinctually. On the fourth degree, our degree, we receive with the intention to receive for ourselves at the expense of others. This is what separates our quality from that of the Creator.
We will remain a desire to receive since His goal is to fill us with delight so we have to receive, however we need to receive with the intention that our reception will be to bring contentment to Him.So don’t worry we are not sinning now, we are 100% led by our desires. We need to be free of our desires, half way between bestowal and reception and there is the choice.
So for us in our preparation stage we are like little kids, trying as much as we can to think that all we do should be for His sake and to try in our hearts to aim all of our life for His sake and along with the study and the practical work in the Kabbalistic group called a “10” that you’ll have the opportunity to work with in the future, you will develop towards this.
Good luck,
Seth@KabU
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.