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    • #338510
      Boke
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      Do we need to transend the spiritual shame into spiritual growth. So actual feeling this shame and using it to grow. So is this shame, which we like avoid or flee from given to us by the creatorin oder to grow?

      • #338532

        We strive our whole lives to avoid shame, naturally. But we don’t feel spiritual shame because we don’t feel the Creator is giving to us. Therefore, it is not an obstacle. It was intentionally concealed from us so that we don’t need to deal with that right now. We can advance without thinking about that.

    • #330601
      John Caton
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      How do we bestow to the Creator who has no desire to receive? Is bestowal towards other creatures the goal, so as to empty the Kli in order to receive more from the Creator?

      • #330604

        Hi John,

        The Kli is empty. That’s what we feel in this world, where I can feel relative fulfilments, in contrast to utter emptiness. It’s called ‘neir dakik” [thin candle]. Just to keep us alive. So, the Kli is empty, we don’t need to worry about that.

        The goal of Creation is that the kli will be filled with the Light, the pleasure that has in it everything, all pleasures. The means is bestowal upon others because to be able to receive all the Light in a way that is not opposite to the quality of the Upper Force – which is bestowal – requires a correction in my desire.

    • #329626
      Zealot Mines
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      I have a question on reality? Is our reality the Creator?

      • #329628

        It’s the Creator as He presents Himself so that we would learn how to relate back to Him, in the form of bestowal.

    • #329282
      Zealot Mines
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      Up to this point, I have never thought or heard of spiritual shame.. Are there possibly people who want or enjoy spiritual shame? So sort of arrogance?

      • #329284

        No, no one knows what it is. It’s reserved for special souls at high spiritual degrees. And a person can’t tolerate ordinary shame either. Everything one does is to avoid it. Otherwise one would live much differently.

    • #322606
      Tove Jo
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      So do I understand it right that “the four faces” is the way, mecanism for our growt all the way up until we are corrected (punto esclamations do not work), Thank you

      • #322609

        The four phases talk about how the Upper Light builds the desire. We’re not yet talking about where we are in the picture since we are not in the picture yet. Later in the course we discuss our place in it.

    • #320545
      Wendi
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      Here is a situation involving a couple that was resolved in a manner involving shame. Was the resolution ultimately an act of bestowal or simply an act of egoistic reception? The wife brought the couple four children, one of who died tragically. She became severely depressed and he dug into his work and self-medicated emotionally (not chemically).  One day he reported to his wife he had had a sordid encounter with a service person. She left the country for a pre-planned trip and when she returned she said she was disgusted and wanted a divorce. He agreed, and told the oldest son what he had done.  The youngest daughter picked up the mother, never to return to live with the man again. Now she lives with the youngest daughter, helping her care for a son born two years after the divorce was final. The man and the woman are now best of friends, though they never meet in person. Now the daughter is expecting a baby girl. Was the man’s shameful behavior a small price to pay for the happy outcome? Or will his shame continue to limit his growth?

      • #320548

        Nothing from the past needs to limit one’s spiritual advancement. I can’t say it in advance, but what has already happened was all the Creator. I have just one problem, that I’m still taking credit. A Kabbalist only looks forward. From now on, all my thoughts and intentions, I want them to be for the Creator, I don’t want to forget about the Upper Force that fills all of reality. And I’m not ashamed of anything because He’s doing everything. “Go to the Creator who made me, and tell Him what an ugly creation He’s made.”

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