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    • #293110
      Manuel
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      Understanding that the Wisdom of Kabbalah is a science of spirituality. If I’m not wrong.

      Where there is a Formula. That if is followed by the student. It will reach the end goal.

      Does Every student has to go through this Spiritual Shame? Is this process part of that Formula?

      • #294345

        Well, Kabbalists write that “spiritual shame is reserved for high souls.” Which means – yes – we have to go through it, but there are many, many other states that are closer and more relevant to us.

        The formula for reaching spirituality is easy to provide. You know, like you can say e=MC2. However, the proof for that is a hundred pages of math only a few people in the world understand. The spiritual formula is LIGHT = DESIRE x SCREEN. Light is any pleasure and all the pleasures because we’re in an ocean of light but receiving it depends on the Kli. Like champagne could be pouring from the skies but I have only burlap sacks; or gold is falling from the skies but all I have is a champagne glass. Therefore I need the correct Kli (desire). And, there’s a law that you can’t receive without a Screen. …So, you need the whole wisdom of Kabbalah in order to realize this equation.

    • #285782
      Arian parshan
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      you described  that bina or behinat bet is desire to bestow upon  creator ,but below tabur  appeared desire  to bestow below one ,

      what is the root of this situation?

      • #287198

        I don’t know what you mean by “bestow below one”. Bina is the desire to bestow, and only to bestow. But there are desires below Tabur that want only to receive. However, they are willing to receive in any form possible. Meaning if I can bestow and by bestowing receive, then I’m willing to bestow. We see this in our world that a person is willing to give an object if through giving I receive something even more important than the pleasure of having the object. For example, I can give a million dollars if it will get my child into Harvard. But he doesn’t need Harvard for the money/career – we’re already fabulously wealthy. Why do wealthy people pay millions to bribe their children into Harvard? So that people will respect me, because my kid goes to Harvard. So, how much is that respect worth? Much more than those millions of dollars. So, it is not important how to receive. The will to receive doesn’t ask WHAT or HOW. It’s that what I will receive the most important thing to receive and in the greatest quantity and with the minimal giving possible, as any giving must be subtracted from my account of what I receive.

    • #285781
      Arian parshan
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      thank you ,

      can we assume ,the shame is root of annulment ?

      • #287199

        Shame is the root of everything practically. It’s true that because of the Shame that caused the realization of the oppositeness to the Upper Force, the desire to receive is willing to annul itself. And this annulment is required to begin using the desire in an opposite form, in the direction of bestowal. And without a complete stop that is truly as-if permanent, we can’t start going in the opposite direction.

    • #283910
      Christianne
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      Beste Instructeur, beste   Gianni  Ik dank U voor deze aangename lessen. Vandaag  leerde ik een nieuw  idee  nl over spirituele  schaamte .  Wij willen zo graag  ontvangen  maar  vooral ook  geven,   zonder  terughoudendheid  zonder schaamte   anderen  gelukkig maken.                                                                                     Toch mensen  zeggen  me: ”  je  hoeft je voor niks te schamen…”   je bent veel te gevoelig,”  mag ik dan denken  dat dit te maken heeft met mijn spirituele schaamtegevoel,    omdat ik hetgevoel heb dat ik niet genoeg kan geven

       

    • #282468
      Marc
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      What is the drama between the light and the Kli and how is shame involved?

      • #282478

        The drama between the Light and Kli is all there is in Creation. Except we don’t feel it yet because the Kli is now broken and out of this brokenness we depict reality. The Light wants to fill the Kli but for that the parts have to connect. We are those parts. We don’t feel any Shame in our state because we don’t feel there is an Upper Force permeating everything and bestowing to us.

    • #282296
      Richard Lively
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      So shame is a good thing, therefore it is shame that pushes us naturally to the creator.  The brain calls this maladaptation.  We can eat something that is delicious but eventually it loses its savor and literally our desire to finish it after eat so much.   I think I understand, we ran from the creator to the lowest of all worlds because we did not want to feel this feeling which eventually we have no choice but to feel and that is our same point we must reconcile our differences to learn to receive  properly or simply continue rejecting and be miserable.

      • #293012
        Manuel
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        If I understand correctly. Shame is always there to begin with. Is just that we’re living Unconsciously and we can’t see that we are at the mercy of the upper force. We don’t realize that we are Completely dependent on the Creator.

        I guess!

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