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    Gil
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    • #446364
      Katrina Leeks
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      Does it matter what spiritual degree each of the friends is at within a group of 10? Let’s say, to start, two friends have minimal screens, and the remainder have points in their hearts. It’s the attitude, desire, and intention that’s more important, correct? Do varied levels of attainment exist within groups of 10?

      • #446369

        Say in Rav Laitman’s ten there are those with no Masach (screen). So then one can be as Rabbi Yosi Ben Kiana whose group members were small but by lowering himself before them and treating the group as his place for bestowal, he could advance and refused to leave them.

    • #446311
      Luke
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      I have been reading a sages fruit and under the portion “The necessity to keep the 613 commandments” In it Baal HaSulam says ‘The complete crave them in their hearts and souls to keep them down to their Corporeal Branches’. So here, is he going back to bringing down the spiritual 613 names (commandants) into Corporeal rituals and actions as religious people perform ?. Even if you had that craving as the complete do, you’d need to Receive religious instruction to perform those things here.

      • #446333

        Hi Luke,

        Remember, the main Mitzva, which includes all the others, is to love your friend as yourself. That’s why Rabash goes to such lengths to detail what that entails. It’s in the heart but also in all its corporeal expressions in the group.

        There are a few other actions as you know, but not so many, that one can choose to keep, if he feels that he wants to complete the action at the corporeal branch. For example there is an action of Zeir Anpin that is symbolized by the wrapping of the Tefilin. Who is already at such a degree that he also longs to complete the action down to its corporeal branch – if we’re really talking about Baal HaSulam’s words?

        But I do live in a corporeal body and so I have the ability to try toward something that is clear: love of my friends – though these faces aren’t really the spiritual friends, but what I can see at my degree.

        The rest is personal, up to you, but not required of you.

        • #446377
          Luke
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          Hi Gianni, thankyou for responding. I just need extra clarification. I would suppose ideally we all want to get to that level of craving but if that does occur it would ultimately mean conversion to Judaism by default in order to perform those corporeal actions. (Mitzvot).

          ????

        • #446390

          Judaism is a religion. Kabbalah is a science. If I am in the world of Atzilut, as were those who designed those external customs, and from that attainment I see that there is something I want to do on the level of our world, because that somehow completes an action I’m doing in spirituality which is the main thing, then it’s not that I’m following some protocols that someone ordered me to do. That’s how these all came about. That Kabbalist, from his attainment and for reasons that are beyond our brains and hearts, felt like doing x, y, and z, and in such and such a way. If you want to copy them too, go right ahead. But the main thing is the intention, and actions toward connection.

    • #446303
      Verena
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      Hi Gianni, which relevance should we give to all the corporeality,… with all that challenges going on there, people we meet, bigger topcis of love and loss,… things that might be path of developing „naturally“, even if it is called the path of suffering? I know, here we work on our spiritual path, we try to hasten time,… but what do we do with the rest? It feels impossible to take that part as a robot… we still have to relate, feel,…. And how shall we relate to the fact, that also in corporeality, there is development, just much slower? How shall we relate to that part where we live our „lives as beasts“… ?

      • #446389

        Later we will see the connection with spirituality. For now, relate to everything in a normal, balanced way – externally you’re as if you know nothing about Kabbalah. Internally, you relate as much as you can to There Is None Else Besides Him.

    • #446234
      Verena
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      Hi Gianni… there is another question I don’t get out of my mind… as we work in our tens, we work towards unity and oneness, trying to grow our connection , trying to grow towards bestowal…and the moments when this is tangible, can be so precious, as much as the moments of disconnection can be so challenging. Now… what happens if in a ten someone steps out? I mean… not moving on like to another ten… just more in a disruptive way. What happens to the ten as a spiritual body? Is it like a lack or a loss? like something missing? Or is it that everything that has been connected before, stays on that kevel-because no state gets lost- and tge rest of the ten takes the next steps in the new formation? And what should be the right attitude in such a situation… with respect to the “body” of the ten, not necessarily the individuals?

      • #446266

        The ten just needs to be in the form of the Creator, a form of connection and bestowal among all its members. The ones who are there are the ones that need to reach that.

    • #446230
      Verena
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      Hi Gianni,

      We were reading preface of the wisdom of Kabbalah…  right in Art 1 and 2 it talks about existence out of absence … what does that mean?

      What I didn’t get, is that existence out of absence is when the development of something new starts. I understand that  the will to receive is opposite the creator… but at the same time only the process of  filling the will to receive with light creates something “new”… that didn’t exist before…? So when is actually something “new” born into existence? I am a bit confused there…

    • #446192
      Magsy Kapoor
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      Dear Gianni,

      Help me understand, GAR and ZAT refer to the lights and not the kelim, correct? And since VAK is basically ZA, it refers to the kli/kelim?

      Also, what is this essential difference between Ohr Hochma and Ohr Hassidim? I thought I knew but it turns out I don’t 🤷‍♀️

      Thank you ❤️

      • #446212

        There’s some flexibility in how the Kabbalists express these things because they try to talk to the one’s who are going to attain them.

        GAR refers to the Upper Sefirot, ZAT to the lower Sefirot.

        Sefirot are essentially corrected Kelim, which shine in their correction.

        Ohr Hochma is the Light of the purpose of Creation; Ohr Hassidim is the Light of the correction of Creation, when the Created Being clothes actions of bestowal.

         

        • #446223
          Magsy Kapoor
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          Is there any course that goes specifically through “The Preface of the Sulam Commentary”? It’s raising too many questions to ask here.

        • #446229

          No but you can search the Kabbalahmedia.info site for Rav lessons on it and supplement by asking here.

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