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Hi Gianni,
At the last two Congresses, I started noticing something that really got me thinking. I see many Tens close to each other, but very inconsiderate of the others around them, and that can only be because they got close as people, like a tight social group, not a spiritual one; and probably that trap is there for everyone, so how to avoid it? How to make sure we come closer as a spiritual Ten, not as a regular social group? It’s really nice to become close socially too, but the emphasis here should be on the spiritual, and I for one have issues with that and don’t know how to handle that…
Thank you in advance!
Hi Zorica,
Whatever’s in the group, I have to say is my perception, received upon my invitation to the Upper Force that I came here asking for such inner work. That said, there is also naturally confusion that I think here I’m supposed to be friends with everyone and behave the way I would with corporeal friends: I just need to really befriend them, and so on. When in fact the relationship should be more professional, like in a karate dojo or something like that. Meaning, although “the moves” in our case are between the hearts, in bonding, love, and integration – all of it should be very thoughtful. My ten especially is an echo chamber into which I should only put things that relate directly to the spiritual goal as written by Rabash. It’s not a place where I come to “be myself”, “express myself”, “air my grievances” or receive psychological support. The ten is only an amplifier for the things I need to increase. That obviates expressing doubts, sorrow, despair – in other words, anything corporeal.
Question from us/ the friends : What if before one arrived to the study of Kabbalah they came to truly feel that there is “None Else Besides Him” and sees Him in all things seemingly outside of ourselves, why then do we need the friends/the ten? How can this be that we can only feel His greatness with the ten when we felt it before even coming here? Thank you .
Hi Gianni, …what is a description of a friend in Kabbalah that allows to open up deeper layers of connection and work on them? I have been thinking about this for a while, and as the topic comes up again now, I thought maybe to ask . I understand it’s important not to repeat the patterns of relationships we find in corporeality, but if I stick to your allegory of the dojo … it sounds like pretending to open one‘s heart in a limited surrounding of virtual expressions, related to text work… that‘s it. But why is it called “friend”then? And what’s the moment of deeper connection if we keep everything out and just tell ourselves, we are in a working environment?
We keep everything out except our Point in the Heart, the point of aspiration toward the spiritual goal – that is the ‘friend’. It’s not the person who several things happened to, and all his preferences, and with whom you can have a beastly connection, which we might think is a “deep connection” – but that’s a shallow, beastly connection from which nothing spiritual can come.
It’s not only pretending but acting that awakens the Point in the Heart, rises it above the other desires, and brings us to identify with the Point in the Heart. Thus, it’s a lie that brings us to the truth. The friends are the Points in the Heart, which have nothing but the aim ‘yashar kel’, direct to the Creator.
In the light of the prayer we are working on at time – some (old) questions, trying to find out to whom do we have to pray to and whom do we mean when we say Creator:
1. In the Genesis is said God created first heavens and earth, and it was dark and His spirit hovered over the waters. Afterwards He made the Light. In the Tree of Life ARI speaks about the Light before the emanations were emanated and creatures created. As far I understand the worlds and the creatures are made by the Light as its creation, but is not the same thing like is said in Genesis when is said “heavens aand earth”? Can the order of creation be taken as it is said in Genesis? (unfortunately I couldn’t read our sources, because Bereshit of Torah has no english translation)
2. If yes, the Light is the creation of the Creator, which created at its turn the worlds and the creature trough absence. But the Light is a creation which was created, not the Creator of everything. Is the Light the soul created by Creator and the corporeal body and the matter is a vessel created by the soul/light? A text part in TES, the explanations there, brought me once to this picure.
3. In todays lesson we heard about Atzmuto being the attained and the souls being the attaining. Is Atzmuto equal with the essence of the Creator? Is Atzmuto who made the Light? I heard many times we don’t speak about His essence because we don’t attain and don’t aim it. Actually we are the Light, if we identify with it and have its form (not the beastly one). This would mean, that when we pray, we pray to ourselves. To our root of the soul, which is us. And when we bestow, we bestow upon ourselves. We’re still traped in egoism, but on a higher level, and then we will not have anyone who might “operate” us, because we are allmighty. Then we are the ones who are good and do good. Can’t believe it!
1. Of course, these speak of the same process.
2. At the end of the day, you’re asking about Atzmuto, which we don’t and can’t speak of. It’s not because it’s ‘forbidden’ but because it will turn out that with whatever we imagine, we won’t even be reaching as high as the Creator that Kabbalists speak of. We’ll just be confusing ourselves.
3. No, we still are not the Light, and we never become the Light. We remain the Will to Receive. We only become Equivalent to the Light in the form that the Will to Receive takes. In the end, there is still the Creator and Created Being, and in this, the Plan of Creation is completed.
follow up: if the Essence of the Creator made the Light, and since the Light is consequently the Form of Expression of the Essence of the Creator, so the Light carries the Essence of the Creator in it, and we aim to achieve equivalence of form with the Light, calling it our Creator – so it means we will achieve equivalence of form with the Essence of Creator too, or not? If yes, why do we say we will not have equivalence of form with the essence of Creator we will not achieve it? Thank you
In all of the wisdom of Kabbalah, there is no Atzmuto. It’s just that after a Kabbalist attains the 125 degree he feels there is something else, which he cannot attain, so that’s called Atzmuto. All that we attain is that we definitely do not attain that. We don’t know, perhaps when all of humanity attains, each one his personal correction and we become one thing, after that there are additional degrees for us. But that’s just “perhaps.” Gmar Tikkun is the 6000 years. We know, from Baal HaSulam that there are also the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th millennia, which aren’t written about. And that’s still not Atzmuto! If Gmar Tikkun is unimaginable, so the 7th millennium, we’re just making fun of ourselves to try and fantasize about it, let alone beyond that.
Is there a correct way for us to address a lack/deficiency within the connection of the ten ? it would seem it depends on the intention ? if this is done in love because the feeling of the lack of unity and not any one person or blame but as a whole would this be a call for a common prayer? and is a common prayer a common prayer if not all have the same prayer? (perhaps this is part of our work to come to the common prayer )
either way how to delicately address these issues to your ten ?
A prayer of many is a prayer for the whole. But coming to something you all want is also part of the work. Don’t wait to turn to the Creator, but also try to arrive at something common between you.
Do incarnated angels exist on earth among us? Do they know they are angels or do they don’t know? Can a human being become an angel?
Rabash and Rav once came upon a horse. Rabash said, “That’s an angel.” An angel is one who goes by the instincts and all the thoughts that arise in him. The forces that push him this way, and that way, are also called angels. Gravity is an angel. Throughout the worlds are such forces of the Creator that don’t have free will, so they’re called angels.
this means we are either beasts or angels, and I am smacking my forhead during writing and understanding, because I have heard this a couple of times in our envirment. We’re not yet human beings, it is about to become ones. Is the force of Kashiut, of resistence/rejection against needs and desires which differenciates human beings from beasts or angels? or not even this? because we learn that we actually have no free will, not even to choose an envirnment, it is all chosen by the Creator for us, according to the tasks within His divine plan and within His Will He determined for us?
If we usually watch the morning lesson, why would we meet during the most important activity, which itself is an action of drawing the Reforming Light through our connection.
We had this exact scrutiny come up with our YG ten last night so I am thankful to see this posted here . A Majority of friends cannot make a meeting until around the time in which the morning lesson is going on here in the USA . So our question was , In the context of Young group (not permanent tens) If I our ten meeting is during the lesson should we all watch that together instead or do our work for YG which we have been doing ?
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