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    • #336852
      Sarah
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      HI Gianni & Friends,

      On 8th March 23, you answered Rae by saying “the ego’s job is to waste our time until we die”, or, until we make a free choice to………….what, exactly?  I completely identify with this, and every night when I review what I’ ve done, I see I have wasted my time. SOOO frustrating its also comic. ( I imagine I m talking about it to the Creator, and He just laughs -it s funny, but also a very serious/deadly game if its probably terminal )  BUT – if you now say this is the job of the ego, why?  Isn’t the ego s job to want to receive pleasure ? So how & why is it working to stop us making the choice to do the spiritual work. ?  AND, most importantly, can you please describe/explain what making this choice means we have to do.?  I mean, I m following this course & engaging with it.

      What am I not understanding?  I really don’t want to continue doing this UNTIL I DIE !  Maybe its to do with a real prayer, so how do I get from here to that?

      • #336874

        Hi Sarah,

        It’s simply because the ego has vessels for corporeal pleasure only. How will you get a snake to enjoy Mozart? He doesn’t have vessels in which to feel it, let alone enjoy it. The ego has vessels for this world. You want to enter an Upper World? And you want me to agree to work for it? Work is suffering. I’ll work for pleasures I can perceive in my vessels. Therefore, all you can do is invest as much as you can into the one thing that isn’t that ego, which is the Point in the Heart. It is the starting point of a vessel that can enjoy the spiritual worlds. All of them will grow out of it and be perceived in it. Its water is our books and lessons, nutrients are the friends in this group, and its sunlight is the Upper Light that one can draw during these activities.

    • #330676
      Russell
      Partícipe

      This is next level! I’m feeling the detail and the intricacy of these texts. There’s lots of study time attributed to week 1 of this course, so much so for it’s taken a little longer to complete.

      I’m interested to know what your thoughts were on this quote from Chapter 2: The Boundaries of Joy?

      In this world there are only two tragedies.
      One is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it.
      The last is much the worst; the last is a real tragedy!
      Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere’s Fan

      My take home is that Oscar’s talking about the corporeal, as no assumptions made to higher?`

      • #330679

        He’s right. If I don’t get what I want, and I’m sure that I can’t have it, my ego covers it for me, concluding something to the effect of “we wouldn’t want that anyway.”  That’s called, “One doesn’t lust after the daughter of the King.”

        If I want something and don’t get it, but see it as reasonably obtainable, it shines for me in the future as Surrounding Light.

        If I attain any desire, and I don’t have a spiritual Screen already, a short-circuit occurs between my gaping desire and the Light (pleasure) trying to enter like when the forces in a lightbulb connect without a filament. This is tragic because I’ve had to exert to obtain the pleasure, I’m now empty, but not only. My desire has doubled. I now have a double deficiency.

        On the other hand, I’ve exhausted one in a finite (but exceedingly long) queue of desires I still hold hopes of receiving from. Of course, it would be better to jump to the work in the other direction, bestowal over reception – as this is a more pleasant way.

        Ordinarily I wouldn’t philosophize about an outside quote but this one is apropos.

    • #320266

      Hi, Julian in The Last Generation video, said that we need to correct the roots in order to see that correction in this world, the world of branches. Does that mean that the roots are rotten? And where are the roots, in which of the 4 stages were they created or appeared?

      As I had this idea that we, as branches, are the Will to receive, and the Roots are the Will to bestow, and the line between them (the Earth surface) is the screen that needs to become permeable so we can receive the Light… And if so, the roots are already perfect as they are the Creator; but if they need to be corrected, they too are not the Creator… so what are they?

      Thanks in advance!

      • #320271

        Hi Zorica,

        The roots are in Keter, Phase Zero, or Shoresh (root). These are the roots of the Kelim (vessels).

        What we see in our world are just branches, and we can’t work with them like you can’t work with a holagram based on some sequence of zeros and ones. It’s no use to work with the imaginary images; you need to work with the zeroes and ones: reception and bestowal.

    • #317855
      Lora Vatalaro
      Partícipe

      The terminology being used in the lessons and readings is getting more dense.  Is it important to try to memorize all of the new terms, or just keep absorbing what I can and continue on?

      • #320306

        Thanks Gianni! But I still don’t understand what does “correcting the roots” mean. You correct something that is not ok, and them being in Phase Zero, mean they are already perfect. Or…?

        • #320320

          The roots are OK; I’m not OK. I’m fallen, several worlds down from the roots. The roots ensure that my correction will take place. Either I will rise to the world of roots, which by itself entails my correction, or I will go through phases of correction that, according to the roots, clothe into materials of this world. I’ll suffer greatly if I go through corrections this way. In fact every pinch we feel is from corrections we didn’t make. Rising to the roots requires rising above my egoistic qualities and clothing in upper qualities. Then, above my qualities, I agree with the Upper Force, and then my correction is pleasant.

      • #317861

        Just keep absorbing what you can. You don’t remember because you only remember what you have some feeling of. Even numbers have a certain feeling. And if there’s no feeling, you can’t remember. Moreover, to tie two things together you need to develop a feeling of their connection – this is an even higher thing.

        So, in short, the feeling will develop by the Reforming Light that one draws during the study, and the understanding will follow from the feeling.

    • #314778
      Sarah
      Partícipe

      It’s interesting that in previous courses I do remember we said this world is world of branches, and whatever happens here can’t affect the world of root.

      Now in this course, we say our spiritual action solve problems from below up, affect the world of branches by affecting the world of root.

       

      Why?

      • #314791

        Hi Sarah,

        That’s correct, we can’t change anything in our world. It only seems to us that we change things with our will and actions. That’s because the depiction before me is a result of my inner qualities. So, if I want to change things in my world instead of changing myself, then I’ll find that no matter how much I do, nothing will change, except that everything will adapt to again await for me to change myself under even harder conditions. However, this depiction is only of my own uncorrected qualities. If I draw the Reforming Light upon myself through the study of Kabbalah, then my qualities change from reception to bestowal – even a little bit – and different, better world is depicted. So, it’s not that we can’t do anything. It’s that we need to know in what field there is something we can change, and in what field I can exert as much as I please but the efforts will all be in vain.

    • #314702
      Rae
      Partícipe

      Does the “collective ego” (Evil Inclination) have its own Will to Exist within the Will to Receive Pleasure? Like a built in part of the system Kabbalists refer to as The Creature?

      The illusion of seperation becomes confusing to me sometimes; making it difficult to “be here” and fear disconnection above all else

      I hope this question makes sense and thank you so much for all you are and all you do 😔

      • #314706

        No, what it is is that the Desire cannot stop existing as all parts of it belong to the Final Correction where they all need to be fulfilled with the Upper Light. The ego is the intention to receive, and it’s eternal too, except it’s form becomes an opposite expression – to bestow. It’s not worried that I’ll die, in fact it’s job is to waste my days until I’ll find myself in a casket, so that going against its councils I’ll choose to be more towards bestowal each moment. That ensures I’m getting there by free choice because each time the ego gives me a chance to see whether I need spirituality now, or I can wait another day; and then to see that when I wait, tomorrow won’t be any different. I’ll still have to overcome greatly and decide that now and only now is the time to attack the spiritual goal.

        • #314713
          Rae
          Partícipe

          Thanks so much Gianni 🙏

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