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ik heb een vraag over onze ziel Ik leer in de lessen dat de ziel verder bestaat na ons overlijden nadat we dit lichaam van ons afschudden. De ziel gaat niet in een andere persoon? Waar heen dan wel in onze verdere spirituele groei . Ik begrijp het niet goed. de connectie met de tien helpt me op mijn spirituele pad ; Ik wil meer groeien, mijn verlangen is er en daar ben ik dankbaar voor
er er nog heel veel werk te doen in deze wereld
Dank je wel ChristianneTRANSLATION: I have a question about our soul I learn in the lessons that the soul continues to exist after we die after we shake this body from us. The soul does not go into another person? Where to then in our further spiritual growth . I don’t quite understand. the connection with the ten helps me on my spiritual path; I want to grow more, my desire is there and I am grateful for that
there is still a lot of work to be done in this world
Thank you ChristianneWe CANNOT imagine what happens after we die. We don’t have the language or the tools of perception necessary. So, it’s best to attain our soul while still alive in this world. Then you’ll see what it is, what this life is compared to that. And we see that this life is merely an imagination, in which we need to be in contact with a group of ten to attain our soul. In the graduate program we assign tens.
I have a question regarding the Jewish soul and it came about while I was doing my readings for this course.
My understanding from the readings I did and listening to some of the shows with Dr. Laitman is that when we are talking about Jews, we are talking about people who have within them that desire to connect, it is about the soul.
Lately I was reading an article written by Dr. Laitman where he is talking about the UN voting against Israel and for the Palestinian side. He mentioned that as long as Jewish didn’t come together and unite, the world is going to hate them.
I am a little bit confused, when he refers to Jews in the world, who is Dr. Laitman referring to? I also thought that Israel was not actually the country but the spiritual state. Can you please clarify?
Hi Sandra,
Israel, when Kabbalists say it, means the part in a person that wants to return to its root in the Creator. One who has this inner point has the ability to open the tap for the Light to humanity, to be a pipeline of good to humanity. Subconsciously people feel this. And subconsciously they feel, when things start going very badly, that those same people who could have opened the pipeline of Light, are sitting on the pipe, plugging it. Imagine your family needs food to live and there’s someone with the key to a storehouse of food. This is how people will feel and they won’t know why, which is why there have been the historical patterns seen throughout thousands of years, ever since a certain group of people did, through their Points in the Heart, establish a certain connection with the Upper Force. And though they fell from that connection, the thread remains. A few hundred incarnations passed? No big deal. The connection has to be renewed. Others can join the group, as they did throughout history. But to leave? This you can’t do. So there exist such people who according to the order of corrections necessitated by the integral system we’re all in, must correct themselves – that is, connect. And reveal the Creator in that connection.
Ok, a group of ten can only be assemble if and only if the rest share that point in the heart to begin with, right?.
It cannot be arranged with secular non kabbalistic students, otherwise it will fail, right? so, i bring my desires and manage among the ten to so choose by questioning how we will bring forth our desires into the group, and by doing so, we as a group pray for each other (meaning the same desire) to achieve correction, right?
in this topic, i wonder, any desire can be brought into the lab, good or bad, or am i mistaken?, we forge connections, meaning, besides prayer, i must indulge mysefl in helping my brothers to achieve such desire physically or not?
if we can only gather with similar folks, instructed as far as i have in Kabbalah, how can we really help the rest of humanity if they are completly opposite in beliefs and actions, therefore, have opposite desires, how do we go around to fulfill creations goal? if we are witnesses to such evil deeds many indulge in life.
Thank you for your time. Shalom.
Correct – you can’t gather except with those who are on the very same spiritual path and have it be a spiritual action. First of all, because these have to be people the Upper Force brought, and not those who I selected using my desire. Then I’m certain it is according to the will of the Upper Force; I’m also certain that I have no other dealings with them, since the goal is neither to have something in common nor to have them be people I like: irrelevant calculations to the purpose here. I specifically need people I have no other dealings with. Only then could I reach the first basic requirement for Equivalence of Form in my attitude towards them with the attitude that the Upper Force has towards them. Apparently the Upper Force wants them to reach the spiritual goal. I need to try to want the same for them, and to take action to help this to happen.
By this I make inner corrections because to engage in this over each of my desires that emerges is to necessarily – I don’t need to worry about specific desires. They will emerge, and their correction for now is to engage in this work with a Kabbalistic group. And you’ll see how they don’t want to – meaning there’s always part of you that doesn’t want to. Those desires’ correction is to come along for the ride, so to speak.
About humanity, their only correction is through connection. No other action towards them is good or beneficial but actually harmful – even if one had trillions of dollars to spend on any cause one can imagine. Only connection is a solution for any problem – no matter which one. Those who are ready to connect, at least somewhat, are ready somewhat to advance not by way of suffering; and those who are most ready – that is, those who come here – I need to work with first. Through them – because all of humanity is internally connected above time and space – if we truly correct ourselves, we pass these corrections into the system to which humanity belongs.
My question is:
When a member leaves the group of ten, what happens to that member? and what happens to the group? do they just continue or find someone new? or just wait until the lost sheep comes back?
Shalom
Hi Rachel,
we do what we can to keep a friend to the commitment they previously requested we hold them to, when they wanted to guarantee that when the Upper Force left him, the friends would hold him in place of the Upper Force. This is the game the Upper Force will play with each one so that he will have free choice, which can only be in society and not if the Upper Force will hold you in the same way as it pushes you to find the wisdom of Kabbalah. But actually one keeps having free choice after he joins the group. So we have to help them, but also, if they truly want to leave, it’s ok. A desire for corporeality arose that one still prefers to realize and so he returns to the path of suffering and “in due time”. Meaning he will come back after some time or lifetimes. And the ten, for which the bodies are only counterpoints to work with to change one’s attitude, continues. The person could be replaced, or it might not be necessary. It needs to be “about ten” but the number of bodies isn’t what’s important.
Hi Gianni,
My apologies for a series of questions. Hope this is the last. Thank you for your patience.
In your reply: “And there are special parts in it – the group of people drawn like particles in a field to Kabbalah – through whom I must adapt my bestowal first. Through them I bestow to humanity and through that whole pipeline to the Creator.”
There are non-Kabbalah groups which work on group synthesis/soul synthesis. Through group synthesis/soul synthesis they serve humanity, and also connect with other world serving synthesized groups. (They are NOT activists.) Are they means to achieve the same goal the kabbalists are aiming at?
Thank you!
I understand only that the path to the Creator is a very narrow bridge. And ours is the perfect, ideal reality from which to reach it. It is utterly managed by iron laws of nature. We think we’re free and feel that we’re free, but we’re as managed as we understand the inanimate level of nature to be. A bit less we imagine the vegetative level to be under utter laws and government. A bit less we understand the sheer lack of free choice of the animate. And by the time we talk about ourselves, because we’re not above the degree but it’s subject, we’re already utterly convinced that we have free choice and you can’t tell us otherwise. But if we’d be on a higher degree (which we also can’t imagine exists) we’d see that we’re moving around like atoms according to their nature – not living real lives. And to rise to the Upper World, to that higher degree, is also by iron laws. One who reaches that level, and only he, can tell someone else how to reach it (it will never simply occur to the person how to do it, and he also can’t reach it with an a la carte method that seems right to his ego). Therefore he has to find a teacher that he thinks is authentic and follow his every advice. He has to trust his instinct, and choose once, and then stick with the path his chose, and correct himself there, and not be confused by each person or group that claims such and such. This is called “one studies where the heart desires.”
Hi Gianni,
Your reply said: “What you can bestow to friends (in the workshop) is the importance of the spiritual goal?” Is the spiritual goal for us students different in different stages of attainment? I’d like to be clear-minded of the spiritual goal in the midst of all these (which I’ve learned so far): “quality of bestowal”, “desire to bestow”, “to reveal the Creator”, “connection”, “dissemination”, etc.
I am grateful for your help. Best wishes to you!
Hi Hing,
The spiritual goal means bestowal. Of course what bestowal is gets clarified further as you advance. Not in words, I can tell you right now, but in feeling. The extent to which my whole reality, feeling, everything comes through reality to me from the Creator, and I must bestow back to Him, also through the reality, which is the transistor between us. And there are special parts in it – the group of people drawn like particles in a field to Kabbalah – through whom I must adapt my bestowal first. Through them I bestow to humanity and through that whole pipeline to the Creator. But we can’t work with all that now. We have to start simply in a group with basic exercises.
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