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I just need to clarify something if “reality doesn’t exist outside of ourselves” – then what is this objective reality/upper worlds/will to bestow that IS outside of ourselves? Is this not a ‘true’ reality?
Alex,
Before any creation, there was only the simple light evenly in all directions, endless.
But there is nothing to say about this.
As soon as we say anything, we are already limiting, so any reality that we feel is just that, it’s what we feel.
If there is no feeler, there is no reality.
Seth@KabU
How can we balance developing a closeness with the creator and living with the intention of the ‘will to bestow’ with living in the modern world – which often depends so much on us acting on our will to receive (eg. getting a good job, getting a promotion, earning enough money to live, progressing in life). Is it even possible to live within ‘the will to bestow’ and survive? Can you live in closeness with the creator/will to bestow and still be ambitious/driven in life?
Alex,
You hit the nail right on the head.
That is exactly what the wisdom of kabbalah is dealing with, how can we be adhered to the Creator, to an eternal reality when I’m required to work and eat and sleep and clean up after myself, etc.
Draw a line, we’ll call it the “sium” below that line is all of our corporeal life, inanimate, vegetative and animate.
Below that line is everything and everyone that you know and see in the world and all the instances of the world. This is where we live and we need to live in this world as people are accostomed to live. Brush your teeth, make your bed, go to work, make a family.
And in addition to that you learn the wisdom of kabbalah, you draw the lights that surround your soul and you start to perceive a reality that is not perceptible to our material senses.
Seth@KabU
I’ve been watching quite a few of the Kab U videos as well as going through the lessons. So I may be getting ahead of the lessons in some ways. I recently completed Lesson 2 and was watching the related materials. I’m a bit confused by some of the examples given by Markos and Chris in their video on desire. Part of why I’m confused is I viewed videos on the same topics by Tony which seemed to contradict some things and express other things a bit differently. To begin with, Tony clearly explained the stages of human desire in 5 stages: food, shelter, sex, etc – wealth – power/prestige – knowledge – spiritual. Markos and Chris combined power/prestige with knowledge (which didn’t make sense). Then it appeared that Markos and Chris superimposed two different concepts: the stages of creation (still…vegetative…animate…conscious) with the states of human desire. It would appear to me that these two “stage models” are not overlapping but rather a continuation. Creation went from “big bang” through the four stages of creation, and then once human consciousness was achieved, then humanity as a whole and humans as individuals go through the 5 stages of desire. Are there 4 or are there 5 stages of desire? Are the stages of creation and the stages of human desire overlapping or totally separate concepts or consecutive as I believe them to be?
Ben,
Welcome to the wisdom of kabbalah. 🙂
We usually study one topic, in one direction and we go through the discernments and clarifications around this topic.
Later we are studying something else, approaching from a different angle and things don’t seem like they did before.
Look at this picture of two batteries, they are the same size! But, due to the perspective, the seem different.
So, get used to hearing things, is it 4, I thought they said 5. Is this the top of the partzuf, I thought it was the bottom of the partzuf… etc, etc. This happens all the time because we are looking at something that is multi dimensional and we can’t describe it all at once.
So if things sound a little confusing, this is also part of the learning process, the wisdom is constantly leading us to the next degree.
You’ll see that you’ll study the same book a year later and you’ll see things there that you never saw there before.
Seth@KabU
Tó,
The structure of the soul called Adam was in a state of adhesion with the Creator, pure bestowal and all good. After the shattering of the soul, egoism flowed and filled all of the spaces between the broken pieces, like water flows into every space. As we consciously reunite all of the broken pieces by creating love and the force of connection that is stronger than the egoism, than the qualitative level of the soul after it is reunited with all of the consciousness of how the soul is built, that is called that it is 620 times more.
Seth@KabU
One more question:
Ok, so if there is no reality outside of the observer than how come everyone is seeing or are aware of the same things? Like cities, countries, events, family members etc
3 questions:
1. who is in the spiritual world? souls that returned from the branch/ souls that haven’t been to the branch yet?
2.What happens when we an access some of the levels? lets say the one right above ours?
3. What does it mean when I have only 2/3rds of the 1st level of desires, not interested in power, but just recently interested in wealth, but always had knowledge ever since a kid, or more like “knowing” and even had experiences that cannot be explained.
Szilvia,
1. Anyone who corrected his soul and acquired a second nature called vessels of bestowal.
2. We feel an eternal state, whole, love, while we are still alive in this world.
3. All of humanity is completely mixed up. All of those desires are mixed between all of us and between the connections between us we fulfill each other.
Seth@KabU
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