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    Gil
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    • #476016
      Verena
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      Sorry, but there is one more questions… what is closer to annulment and connection… no one matters or everone matters?

      (I am trying to not give further explanations anymore to the initial question… not sure if it works… the questions come from states, but the states have no words… so I don’t know if I can make myself understood this way… but I try… so if it’s not clear I will try again)

      • #476028

        Everyone matters. But insofar as I only want to bestow and not receive, I need nothing back from them. Not that they will study like this or that, behave like this or that. Nothing back. At the same time I must also care how they will be, that they will be closer to the goal by the minute.

    • #476014
      Verena
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      Hi Gianni, what is the difference between loneliness and being alone in spirituality?

      • #476030

        A Kabbalist can’t be lonely in that sense. But one can long for the other parts of their soul. If youre asking at the simple level, the state of a Kabbalist is the farthest thing from lonliness because all that we chase and long for in the world is closeness to the Creator, except that with a small desire, I settle for clothings upon the Light, rather than the Creator Himself. If I have contact with the Creator – that’s it, there’s no such thing as lonely.

        • #476087
          Helen
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          I am sorry to jump in as this is my question as well. before machsom we do not perceive the Creator, we can’t discuss with our corporeal circle, we are not allow to share descends and struggles that may have the potential to bring friends down, often it feels very lonely. maybe it’s different for man.  is it okay to share with who are also on the journey but not in your Ten?

        • #476088

          In our basic nature, you’re right that a woman’s nature is very different. But at the level of Kabbalah, the work is the same. A woman’s nature is much more to want to talk it out. And a woman is less satisfied in general, and more serious. You can share in your ten, but every story should have a happy ending – and not take up too much time. Meaning you can briefly share the story of how you are overcoming. It’s not a support group whatsoever. Every meeting should impart hope, aspiration, strength to overcome, and love of friends. You could also do it in the form of a question to the ten, “how do you overcome________and return to thoughts of the spiritual goal?” Something along those lines that is close to your heart.

        • #476096
          Helen
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          this helps. thank you

    • #475911
      Clara
      Participant

      It’s amazing how many aspects I discover in the very first scene described in the revealed Torah – of Genesis of Adam and Eve – this is probably because of society shaping I went through, we were told such fairy tales, for which I am even ashamed today. But however, Because of this God wanted conditioning I learn best trough this, since the reshimot is shaped like this.

      We always say “there is none else besides Him”. He created everything what is. We justify everything coming and being given by Him. And that ok. But He made everything, the fearful animal too. As He made the human being, called “the crown of His creation”, – in this one He blew His own Spirit through the nostrils. He did this only with the being we call today ‘human being being created in His image’. When we say ‘none else besides Him’, and we assiciate ourselves wirh animal cravings, behaviours, reactions, saying ‘is everything will to receive – ni! Is not everything the same will to receive! The human one is bearing His Spirit, His Will, His quality. It is different of that of an animal he created! Than Satan, or Sitra Achra, who suckles the vitality of Him, of His blew Divinity into us! Who wants us to identify wirh only an animal He has created!? He, or His adversary, which can not even be true!?

       

       

      • #475992

        None of the Torah is talking about us. If you understand an atom, it also has the same properties as we do, but on a different degree; and so on, up to the monkey, who also talks in his own language. What do we have that is special, let alone in the image of the Creator? Nothing. The only thing that is special about us is that we’re stupider than the rest of the animal kingdom to which we belong. Animals don’t ruin their own homes, but that’s what we’re doing to the Earth, the only planet that can truly house us. Also, it’s not that the Creator looks like us. We are only structured like our Upper Degree, for us called “Creator.” And that’s only in one sense, that there is, unlike a cow, for example, a head above the body and not on the same plane as the body. We’re structured like that, standing up, with a head atop our torso, only as an imprint of our future, inner degree, where the intention rides upon the desire like a Rosh [head] to the body [desire]. But for now, we’re not like that. Our head is exactly on the plane of our desire, led by our desire, even below it, following its whim. And so we’re not in the image of the Creator at all. The Torah is not about us in our current form.

      • #475988
        Clara
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        An related to that – another aspect, same important:

        If the human created being is put on the same level with an animal, then the purpose of creation for him might be to receive delight and pleasure. But because He blew (blown, however) His Spirit of Life into him, and by that the human created being cannot be considered only just an animal, the purpose of creation was actually to be in relationship and to enjoy that relationship! And this is treated like smth secundary, which we have to achieve, and is consequently always skiped over, when we always say ‘to receive delight and pleasure’, while it is actually the main thing! And from that relationship – whatever and however may come will be delightful! And in this transformation and growing process we go through – we have to be clear and strong in our purpose, because it can be so painful when our focus is not the right one we when we don’t clearly know our fundamental conditions. Is like one cannot even make a step more in growing, in transforming. To receive delight and pleasure feels right now like another desception of the serpent, ment to cover and diguise the true purpose – of being in relationship with the Good Who Does Good. Is this true?

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        • #475993

          Again, the Torah never meant to talk about your biological body, which is a complete machine, like a mosquito. It can live, die, more of them can be born. There’s nothing special about it or its feeling that it is alive or not. The Torah is talking about something I become only in the incorporation with a ten. There begins the life of the created being, Adam [man].

      • #475912
        Clara
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        Technical notice: I correct tipping mistakes, but they are are not updated. Whats goin on?

    • #475908
      Verena
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, what is actually true connection? And how can we build enough faith to keep trying, in spite of all the shattering? This is really a question that is bothering me. I understand it’s bouncing in and out of connection, but so far far…I experienced connection to be a feebly momentary state… and most of the work to be either habits/routines without any inner connection OR there was something that felt like connection but then people would bounce out of it and leave it shattered. Maybe my observation is wrong or I got a dark part of the map to discover… but I am starting to be completely clueless… I feel like we are unable to connect. And now I wonder… it says to light up the point in the heart it needs the society… so what needs to be the properties of the society? And what needs to be the intention in the work if people come together? Is there anything that makes true connection possible? And what needs to be the inner attitude towards this in and out of connection? I understand the ego wants to protect us… but it’s pulling us out of connection… so how do we get above that? How can we stop it from preventing us to truly connect. Not with words, not by saying “ I annul”, but by DOING it? How can we tear down the walls of our intellect that is very smart and gives us all the beautiful phrases we learned to repeat in the workshop rounds… empty treasure boxes, not filled with love or the states we name.

      • #475990

        It’s better if you scrutinize a single question. If it’s not scrutinized, I’m not allowed to do the scrutiny for you.

        The center of gravity needs to be on you being the only one who needs to connect: whatever friends are in front of you are in the End of Correction, waiting for you to join them there. In the meantime, you have an avatar of those friends. Until you change, you’re going to find some depiction of the certain kind of flaws that are in you. Reality is your mirror. Answer all your questions with this.

        • #476013
          Verena
          Participant

          Hi Gianni, sorry, for me this was one question: …what are the qualities of true connection ?

        • #476027

          Well, that Rabash took at least 20 articles to explain. Elevating the friends as great, stepping on myself until I feel I’m nothing and a heel (it’s not complete without both self-hatred and love of friends); Tzimzum [restriction], Masach [screen], Ohr Hozer [Reflected Light]. Some of the signs would be that I think of the ten and not myself; that I worry about them and not myself; that I play the perfect friend, one who inspires them ever higher from day to day, moment to moment (after all, that’s what I would do if I were either in spirituality or truly wanted to be – so I can at least act this way as a gesture). I don’t care what is done with me. The society can do whatever it wishes with me as I have no desire of my own, like a fetus that eats whatever comes to it. And this is the preparation for spirituality because true connection entails actual separation from my Will to Receive. That’s impossible to imagine. And this is so that, above it, I will be able to use it to bestow to the Creator.

    • #475853
      Helen
      Participant

      Hi Gianni

      Regarding prayer: I realize that almost all the prayers I can form come from knowledge, from what we read and what we are taught , rather than from an actual inner desire. In moments of suffering, whether in corporeal life or in the work in the Ten, my spontaneous prayer is always “why does it have to be this way?” or “please fix or change this.” Even when I pray for faith, for example, “give me the strength to believe that He is good who does good” ,  the inner intention is still to remove the pain caused by the lack of faith, not to bestow.

      I see that I do not truly have a heartfelt prayer for bestowal itself. I recognize that I lack both the will and the power to bestow; I only have the knowledge that I should want it. Painful situations reveal this very clearly, and it is a difficult realization.

      How should I correctly relate to this state? How does one move from prayers based on knowledge and suffering,  toward a true prayer, if the desire itself is missing?

      thanks

      Helen

      • #475878

        A prayer from pain that I can’t bestow, is good. There’s a sequence of prayers standing before us, that we need to come to – realizations of what it is that we can’t do. That fact that we despair on the way instead of continue just means these prayers lie ahead still. That’s why “I wish he would pray all day.”

        With corporeal suffering, it means I didn’t act prior to the Creator, so now I’ll act for sure. In this case all I can do is be reminded to be more goal-oriented and focus on my spiritual work in the ten.

    • #475849
      Helen
      Participant

      Hi Gianni

      What is the correct use of corporeal pain in the work? I understand that corporeal situations are not the workplace of correction, but only raw material. How should I correctly bring this raw material into inner work? Is it correct to envision a more corrected inner state(only focus on intention?) , and from the gap between my current state and that inability to reach that new intention, form a true deficiency and prayer? How can corporeal pain be transformed into material for internal correction without turning it into psychological work or an attempt to fix corporeal life?

      thanks

      Helen

      • #475880

        As I said above. Corporeal pain means the Light reaches my egoistic vessel before I brought it to a more corrected state. Now, the pain will help to soften my heart a bit toward my spiritual path.

        • #475884
          Helen
          Participant

          that clarifies the role of corporeal pain. My followup question is: when specific egoistic qualities are revealed through pain: for example insecurity, comparison, competitiveness ,etc. How should I correctly relate to these revelations in the work? not to aim to improve a corporeal problem but to transform those deficiencies to  spiritual deficiencies that I can pray for correction?

        • #475894

          You have to learn how to translate these things. Here, I can’t go into one’s individual work.

        • #475997
          Helen
          Participant

          I understand that the translation itself is part of one’s individual work, and I’m not asking for guidance on transforming specific deficiencies. My question is more about orientation: when egoistic deficiencies are revealed through corporeal pain, what is their correct place in the work? Should such deficiencies be brought to the Creator through prayer as they are? Should they be brought to the Ten as a general deficiency, without entering corporeal details? Or should one wait until these deficiencies are revealed directly in the spiritual work itself? How should I understand the correct “workflow” for relating to such revelations?

        • #476029

          Mainly, corporeal pain signals that the Light preceded the work to correct the vessel. So the Light reached the egoistic vessel, and so it feels like suffering. Now I have to typically make physical steps in our world according to its laws. Bring this deficiency to the ten? I need to think if that will help them – or is it already present in the ten by me, with this deficiency, overcoming and entering the spiritual work above it?

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