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    Engage in an exploration of the week 2 lesson and materials, receiving insights from a seasoned Kabbalah mentor.

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    • #395696
      Carly
      Participant

      What does it look like to bestow back to the Upper Force?

      • #397274

        Hey Carly,

        I missed this somehow. I’m glad you got an answer but I’ll answer anyway.

        Bestowing to the Upper Force doesn’t have a ‘look’ because bestowal is only in the intention. There are things a Kabbalist would do, and conversely, which I should do already if I want to become a Kabbalist. Essentially it’s delving into Kabbalistic studies whenever possible and trying to realize what I learn from them. These invite the Upper Light to sculpt my intention through which I can bestow. By no other means can I bestow to the Upper Force since it already has everything and only wants to give.

        • #397319
          Carly
          Participant

          Gianni, I was sincere in my last comment, but I also thank you for answering. I had caught on to the phrasing of my question and appreciate you confirming it. 🙂

      • #397269
        Carly
        Participant

        Thank you for not answering this question. I was coming at this from the wrong angle, trying to intellectualize. In your silence, I started feeling the answer. 😊

    • #386081
      Helen
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, please let me know if below thoughts are correct, thanks

      it sounds like in this world, we want many things, but none of those is what the creator wants us to have? therefore after we have what we wanted, it doesn’t make the creator happy, nor does our fulfillment last long?
      after the creation, we will only want what the creator has to offer, nothing more, nothing less? thus the giver and the receiver are both happy?
      how do you define what the creator has to offer? I suppose love? what is Kabbalah’s definition of Love?

       

      thanks

      Helen

      • #386082

        Hi Helen,

        I bought my son a powerful computer with a huge wide screen monitor. I had imagined him being wildly productive at school with it. Instead, he used it only for gaming, while relegating all his school work to his feeble school-provided laptop. So, I subsequently found a reason to take the computer I bought away. He thinks he knows why he lost his computer, and even thinks it fair. Little does he know that had he at least accommodated my aims alongside his, he’d still have it. I didn’t want to force his hand, but instead caused the disappearance of that which had overshadowed my aims – restoring the correct proportions.

        The Creator provides everything, and everything can be used if it’s in the direction of building the soul, that is spirituality. Anything that doesn’t overshadow the importance of spirituality has a place. If one forgets about spirituality during the act, then I don’t know.

         

    • #373589
      M H
      Participant

      Hi Gianni,

      Thank you for all the answers, I have been reading though them and it very is helpful.  I do have an out of the blue question.  The reason I arrived here was the result of a search for methods that could help me live my Faith. I was grateful to find that the foundation in Kabbalah is learning to love they friend as thyself. This seems almost impossible but I completely believe that once achieved my entire perception of this world will change.  I carry baggage that goes by the name guilt, shame, etc. Which seemed to be the foundation I was brought up with.

      Is guilt ego ?

       

       

      • #373590

        Guilt is the ascription of the action to me instead of the Creator. It’s ok to decide that I would like to think and act in a certain way in the future, but as for the past, I must say that all that wasn’t me, the Creator operated everything. Otherwise – yes – it’s a trap by which it turns out that, in practice, I dwell in the lie of the concealment of the Creator, without even, at least, knowing that I’m under concealment.

    • #367500
      Sheila
      Participant

      I expect I am like all of us, listening to the videos, reading the texts, exploring links provided and more. And then there are the descents. Last night through this morning. So much time invested, what difference does it make, where is the gain, for me? Will I ever really feel that I have attained the spirituality I came to find or will it all be just intellectual?

      So I left the computer, left the confines of the house, went outside with my dogs under the blue sky, fresh from the cold and yesterday’s snow, already melted. I walked slowly through the pasture down to the play area, looked at the surrounding mountains still covered in snow. And suddenly it was as if the sky had opened and I could see and feel the presence of the beyond.

      The mourning dove sat there on the fence, so close to me that I knew the Creator was in that little bird. With a deep breath I pictured of Rav Laitman walking through the trees where he does many of his videos. I could see him, I was there with him. As I looked up to the top of the Blue Spruce a mockingbird landed right there and started to chirp. He was talking to me. The Creator was talking to me through him. I could see the roots way up in the clear sky as they came down to touch the top of that tree and I knew this day of descent was over.

      It made a big difference to go quietly outside and be still, in Nature. To quietly observe the wonders of Creation and allowing it all to flow inside of me brought me back here. I just wanted to share the experience, perhaps it will touch the point in your heart too. I posted it here because it wasn’t really something from the lesson, or maybe it was in a way.

    • #362651
      Nick Martinez
      Participant

      Hi there,

      The videos this week appeared to make a strong assertion that the ego (the will to receive) cannot be suppressed or destroyed. What then, is the concept of Tzimtzum? Does the concept of Restriction have no corporeal relation whatsoever?

      I can’t remember exactly where I read it, but some of the texts here seem to imply that Tzimtzum is quite literally the only action the Creature can take in order to cross the Machsom, because below the Machsom the Creature has absolutely nothing to bestow. It can’t possibly bestow to the Creator because it has no perception of him (I can’t, without deluding myself, enjoy a slice of cake ‘for the sake of the Creator’), and even on a lower level it can’t possibly bestow to other people because Egoism cannot be eradicated without help from above.

      In other words, are efforts to restrict our corporeal desires with the intention of getting closer to the Creator a waste of time and energy? Is the practical work in a group our only tool at our disposal to becoming closer to spirituality? This last question is particularly stressful because of the worry that one won’t ever find a group of Points in the Heart in order to work with.

      • #362657

        Hi Nick,

        These are good questions, but each has a clear solution. You don’t need to find a group, you’ll be provided a virtual group in the graduate environment, and since the work is from your heart outward whether you can touch them physically or not, it’s sufficient.

        You’re right that you can’t and don’t need to suppress corporeal desires. That’s not the field for cultivating spiritual capital. That’s trying to work on oneself. I can work on myself through others. That’s the game Nature arranged. Whereas I’m like some hologram with which nothing effective can be done spiritually, if I’m trying to work on myself directly.

    • #335508
      Sarah
      Participant

      HI Gianni & friends,

      This is a follow-up to the question I accidentally put in the Preparation section. Apologies.

      It was clear from your answer (for which gratitude), that my question came from my level of awareness which is only of THIS world. Actually, very enlightening for me, thank you.

      My question is, personal to a degree – are you, Gianni, able to sit in that aeroplane & look down on the corporeal world from above it?  I suppose I m asking whether, as we continue, we will be able to get above that line ? I ‘m guessing it isn’t an inevitable progress ?  What may support us in our studies/experiments, so we achieve this?

      • #335577
        Sarah
        Participant

        Wow !  That is paradoxical, mysterious and intreaguing – and I appreciate it as the best road-map you can give,         Thanks Gianni !  What you say makes it OK that I have no idea what is in store – but I do know that it really excites my curiosity.

      • #335517

        Hi Sarah,

        Kabbalists and even those who know what it takes to become one never like to speak personally. When my teacher came to his teacher, the Rabash, he asked him something like that, and Rabash simply said “go search,” go find another place that you think might work out for you. This seems like the opposite answer to what we’d expect from someone who (a) knows the way to the Upper Worlds (b) is in Equivalence with the Upper Force, at least to some degree (c) should want to help us reach the Creator too. And that’s because of what is written, “The Creator says, your ways are not My ways, your thoughts are not as My thoughts.” And the corporeal explanation of this is that an answer here won’t help you and may actually harm. It won’t help because you’ll still have to believe Gianni – when you’ve already been provided much greater ones who told you they attained the spiritual world up to the 125th degree in the case of Baal HaSulam. If you don’t believe them, you can’t believe Gianni either. Or, let’s say Gianni says no and then you lose all hope. And there are other psychologies here as well.  So, for the student to do the work they will in any case have to do, it’s enough for one to know that Baal HaSulam, Rabash, and Dr. Laitman attained the Creator, and that they show us the way to definitely rise above the Barrier to the spiritual world within the span of one’s life. If I understand how serious and sublime this prospect is, then a realistic person knows it will be neither simple, easy nor in any way how I’m picturing I’ll manage to do it. But it is possible and steps will be provided.

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