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I have been having this feeling; it first happened in the ten. That we need to reveal the Creator from the will to receive. But I was having so many thoughts about what could be the will to receive,…associating it with how bad I feel some resistance in the work.
I asked because, during this morning’s lesson, I had a strong feeling, like an ‘Aha’ moment, that we need to reveal the Creator within the will to receive. But now I just have only this one thought, the will to receive, that’s where I need to reveal the Creator
I don’t know if that is right. Please, I need guidance. I don’t know if I communicated my thoughts to you correctly.
Hello, during my first ten group I left because I could not handle something. That thing was someone quoting bible, like king james type , not Torah and comparing it to our lesson at hand. The instructor Leo I believe addressed this issue in a video but I am still unsure if that was a correction I needed to make , seeing that person as being “at fault” , was that just a need for my correction and to change my perception of that person ?
Hi John,
I’m not familiar with that situation, but in the Young Group we need to be understanding that everyone has a part of the advice that is hard for him to hear because it seems to cancel something I had hoped would be true; or something I thought I already had some proximity to or even attained, turns out to be on a step that is still very far from me. Also, sometimes I mistakenly believe someone is breaking the rules, while it’s me who needed to correct my perception of the friend.
So, best is to check with KabU staff, and we’ll see if there’s a violation of the principles of a spiritual group or not. For now, there’s an arbiter, so that beginners can save everyone time spent on silly mistakes.
I have a question about the definition of klipot and what the ten is in relation to that. I reread “What is the Foundation on which Kedusha is Built?” often because it makes everything make sense, and seems custom written just for me. But there is one thing in there that I only get more confused about.
The article defines (multiple times) two kinds of revelations of evil/the will to receive:
1- a gentle revelation by the Creator (at night, in doubt) which aides the person in fuel for the work and prayers for correction.
2 – “the herdsman of Gerar,” a klipot which seems to reveal to you that you are not capable of the work and should return to corporeality instead. It is demotivating for a relatively long time afterward (compared to the normal length of cycles of feelings in inner work.)
I experience that first one so often, and it’s very unpleasant, but it is also very motivating. You kind of want it, even when it’s awful.
The second one I rarely encounter, but when I do it is exclusively from my ten. This makes me wonder if I have the wrong definition of shells, or the wrong definition of the ten. It seems like the general description of the ten in our Young Group curriculum is this space where nothing is a shell. Everything that every member of the ten says is the Creator speaking and we should consider it as such. That seems to mean that nothing is a shell in there and we should treat it as a revealed message from the Creator.
But the description of the herdsman of Gerar klipot in this article is very clearly describing a dynamic I only see in my ten.
What is the correct way to relate to this?
What is correct is that all the states the Torah describes, happen in the ten. But you have to enter spirituality to have a Klipa against spirituality. Otherwise, it’s neither Klipa nor Kedusha. In that sense, there are no real Klipot in our work in the ten. But sometimes on our way to connection we experience something sort of like the states Baal HaSulam speaks of.
It seems like since I started YG group everything in my world is sort of like something Rabash or Baal HaSulam described. Is our reality composed of kind of jumbled echoes of all those states and structures?
How do people in spiritually endure the real things? Is it that they are stronger because the Creator is more revealed? Or maybe from the memory of impressions of the Creator?
No. It’s that they live in two worlds. But more than that it is that they nullify themselves to the point of no knowledge of anything spiritual. Except they don’t close their eyes. Instead, they are Above Reason. We can’t talk about or imagine this because it relates to having a Screen, which we don’t have, and we can’t imagine what it is or how i can be.
“Everyone has different root of the soul” – I heard this a multiple couple of times within 3 years I am here, in SMWF last time. I asked about this, but there came a response like “walking in circles like a drunk man, without an answer”. So I ask again: what does it mean that everyone has a different root of the soul, and what can what read to come closer to the wisdom of which root of the soul he has, and what can one do if his soul was raped and linked to a toxic foreign root of the soul, which is opposite of his own, he and his soul is only a source of norishment of inferiour souls of probably Tuma’a and how can he be delivered from this condition coming and being linked to his own nature-soul?
There isn’t such a thing. What happens to this body is like what happens in the jungle to animals. Nothing more than that. Nothing happens in this world except to inch a person closer to reaching the root of his soul. What is the root of my soul? I can’t know or compare it to anything that I do know because there is nothing in our mind, heart, or world that is similar to the root of the soul. The root of your soul is found in the ten. You have to connect to them in heart, and there you will discover the root of your beautiful soul.
Lets say one have all friends in the ten in the heart (anyway) – is this considered as being connected? If one implements the exercise Rav described in the ML from 28th Nov 2025 (recording from 2020 I think) is it considered connection, even if the friends are not consciously agreeing to the connection? And if it is considered as being connected – is it possible that one discovers his root of the soul if not all friends do at the same time? And how can one know in which structure (and what parameters it has) ?
About knowing:
I’ve already read many blogposts from Rav, which other sources are describing closer the topic ‘root of the soul’? Found no source from Rabash or Baal HaSulam.
If I already have all my friends filling my heart, so that there is no reality in the world except for the friends, then I’m already in the spiritual worlds, in the revelation of the root of my soul. If my heart still is filled with my own desires, then that’s reflected as my world, and I’m in the corporeal world.
Other than those Rav blogs about the root of the soul, there are not many writings. The ARI says something about it in Gate to Reincarnation (I don’t trust the English translation), but it’s written for those who are in spiritual attainment. Rabash says something about it here: https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/sources/8HGXFFx3
But the root of the soul is found in the right connection with one’s ten, and in no other place, as with all the concepts in Kabbalah.
And what can one do, that tens would reflect THIS TREMENDOUS DESIRE OF COMING FORWARD ON THIS PATH IN THIS METHOD EXPERIENCING AND ACHIEVING THE DESCRIBED THINGS IN THIS THREAD, and not feed on the energy of Kedusha in order to be right and to get honor on the costs of Kedusha!? Can YOU, INSTRUCTOR FRIENDS guide them to that desire respectivley help them to grow the right desire? Can YOU instead of them go above reason correcting within you what needs to be corrected, so that they will desire that? An, in this case, reflect this my desire and need!? I thought it is a delegation from Baal HaSulam, Rabash and Rav to do so!? I still trust is possible! Thank you ❤️🙏
Right!
“I also can’t do the correction for anyone. In fact, even if I could, it would be forbidden to interfere.” That’s why finally my first question came up, if a soul can be “linked to a wrong root”. I can only achieve the root of my soul I thought. Or are some souls kept “slaves” for other roots?
and also the experience came again up I’ve done everything I could, which repeats itsself – and this is again a prayer! I can’t correct what I don’t own, and also I am not able to be the only one person in the world existing and doing all this. We’re “more” persons, seemingly separated and is about to become deliberately one.
“The friends are a reflection of my uncorrected qualities, and until I correct myself, I’m going to see my friends as uncorrected.” And this is to be said and respected by every-body in the work following same method, right? Seemingly “being a body”. Otherwise it doesn’t work.
So how can we come to equalize the grade of the strength of desire to achieve Dvekut and how can we truly want/desire and not only creating the impression as if we would want but in fact we don’t. And even for connection is same – do we REALLY want to connect, or do we only create an impression we would want? At this point – I lose patience over again, where I have to kinda kill my desire, otherwise is painful to carry it. It makes no sense that it grows more, it is already huge, and not fullfilled. What do?
I can’t do the work with respect to you. But you must do the work with respect to them. That is your work. While what you asked of me, is not my work. It is not forbidden for you: correct your vessels and reveal that the whole world is in perfection, except for you.
There are many Kabbalistic sayings about this, that the world is inside you, was created only for you, that it’s all a reflection of you…
So, the answer will never change. These are the friends. They await me to correct myself, and it is not that they first need to correct themselves.
I need to be as Yosi Ben Kisma. He was a great Kabbalist and yet even he knew that he had to lower himself before his students, if he wished to advance. Though they were small, confused. Still, there was no other choice, no other hope for him.
That’s interesting. So, all that is missing is for the friends to correct themselves? I heard that a person always has to say the opposite, that “the friends are already corrected, and it is only I who needs to correct myself. The friends are a reflection of my uncorrected qualities, and until I correct myself, I’m going to see my friends as uncorrected.”
I also can’t do the correction for anyone. In fact, even if I could, it would be forbidden to interfere. I’m extremely limited. The Creator Himself is limited here. This is where there is a space for free choice, and thus actually reaching equivalence with the Creator.
Hi Gianni. A question arose from one of our friends concerning what we thought Lo Lishma vs Lishma means. I have heard many words and contexts for an answer to this from Rav and our teachers, but we struggled as a group to agree on a best common answer. I am hoping you can shed some light for us to use to reach agreement on? Thank you!
“I was thinking about how we can keep our friends in mind at all times. One way is for each friend to ask a question in turn. The rest of the group can then take that question and direct it to the Creator, asking how we can bring the friends closer to Him and how we can please Him through it. During the gathering with the friends, we would begin with these questions, helping everyone stay connected and focused together.”
Please, I would need an advice on that.
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