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    Gil
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    • #475689
      Helen
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      Hi Gianni

      even after the correction, each soul is still unique and different. how to understand this? we receive & bestow in different forms based on our tendencies? I can understand the concept of receive in order to bestow with the Creator, what about between souls? our tendencies will all be corrected with the right intention but those tendencies remain as unique to each? how does those difference manifest?  it’s hard to imagine that type of uniqueness yet with equivalence of form.   I know this question has many layers of questions in it but maybe you have a simple way to explain.

      thank

      Helen

      • #475690

        Sure, it’s impossible to imagine what it is spiritually, but it’s like organs in a body, each unique and indispensable, and thus equally important. All are integral to the system of bestowal they belong to. Here, it’s to keep you alive. Spiritually, it’s to maintain the Masach [screen]. That’s what turns the raw matter into Adam [man], meaning Domay [similar] to the Creator. Together, we build the Screen, the Rosh [head] – whatever you wish to call it. Each has their own spiritual quality relative to this. We bestow to each other our participation in this system, but the main thing is we bestow to the Creator.

        • #475692
          Helen
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          so even after correction, there is still constant exaltedness to maintain the screen?

        • #475693

          The Screen means we only receive in a form of Equivalence with the Creator. So it’s forever and so is the connection with the friends.

        • #475694
          Helen
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          this somehow moved me deeply. thank you

    • #475590
      Verena
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      Gianni, what is the difference between leaving the path and changing one’s ten? I mean… of course… there IS a difference… but when people do change their ten- which part of this is leaving the path, which is breaking arvut, and which just a normal adapting process?

      • #475594

        It’s not a question because there’s no such thing as changing one’s ten except in some special case. The whole point of the ten is to work with it though you feel like leaving it or whatever. I need to change myself not my ten. So you’re saying that instead of changing myself I will change my ten? So then I will still be myself in the next ten and since I needed to change myself and not my ten, of course it will turn out that I have another problem in the new ten. The whole world is inside of me. My world is a projection. Wherever I go, I go nowhere but only have the illusion in my head that I’m going somewhere, but I’m in my VR headset and that’s it.

         

        • #475629
          Verena
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          Thank you, Gianni, This makes sense Actually , I am wondering, what are these special circumstances under which people may change their ten- no one can force them not to, I understand that-and it’s contra productive towards the goal, I understand as well…but changing of tens, it’s something I heard quite a few  times… the reasons were so different. For example , one wished to go to the morning lesson regularly and the rest of the group not. One wished to have a physical ten.  One moved time zones. But also one described being pushed out from his ten. One left because the others would not pay mazer… so anyways… it seems like we are all total egoists, it cannot get much worse, and at least a ten should have a minimum functional level.

          So… what is right here? And who is making a decision of what is considered a ten and what isn’t? I feel forcing people to make a step towards connection when they are not ready disrupts everything. And this part is my own experience. So… without any clarity, guidance and direction just holding on to a given decision… it simply did not work. I see the point… that it’s part of the work… but I see people getting lost, and that’s it. No change, no adding, no development. Just getting lost. This is why I don’t understand how I know what truly is a ten. A name in the Arvut room? An information? A telegram group? It must be much more than that… And I really don’t get how it is formed… if through structural decisions or naturally… you know, I understand that in a ten everyone should be able to work with everyone. But it doesn’t work always… so what’s the counsel then? If it does not work? And people just leave? Or cannot work anymore? Or get completely stuck? Is holding on still the golden rule?

          See, I am asking because this has been the status quo for three months now… and “holding on” can break you apart if there are two opposite directions and none seems functional.

           

        • #475764

          All kinds of special, specific cases that I’m not aware of, I can’t answer about. I can only provide the spiritual principle. The concept of tens comes from a situation described in the Torah where Yitro advises Moses about how to set up the tens, and Moses implements it. Crucially, the construction of the ten comes from above. I don’t know why I’m placed in this ten and not another; certainly, I would replace some or all of them if allowed to hand-pick. But from doing so, no spiritual benefit could follow. Most importantly, nullification to a decision that is outside of me is a rare opportunity and the only possibility of the result being spiritual.

    • #475589
      Verena
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      Gianni, what does it mean to truly trust in the creator? What should I trust in?

      I understand it’s a force of pure bestowal, always there, constitutiong everything there is… I understand there is the surrounding like working on us, the reforming light working on us… and I have no trouble with that…(just given that we are surrounded by a trillion things we don’t perceive like all the quantum particles)… all this feels so right both from the heart and mind.

      But then there comes life… it just happens with all these crazy twists and turns… and all the pain so many people go through… and I really have trouble to see the creator in this. Not because I don’t want to, hold a grudge or not want to justify him… I just really don’t understand this part of the game. If this is a peekabooh game… then what do I have to look out for? The pain feels real. And it eradicates these sensations of connection, or those states in a morning lesson. I cannot see the creator in this pain- so given this context, I struggle to understand what it means to trust the creator. Which perception and perspective does it need?

      • #475618

        Since He acts first, before I awakened the connection in the vessel where He can be revealed, He bestows nevertheless and this bestowal goes into my shattered vessel, and so it feels horrible the more the Light shines. Had I acted first, meaning had I awakened the connection in advance, I would have felt that Light as good. The whole world depends on me. I may be doing many actions in the ten and so on, but if I’m not accelerating, I’m not the first to act. The Creator is. So, that same Light that was supposed to fill a corrected Kli, inverts to the opposite of good (in my perception anyway, since this whole shattering is only in my broken eyeglasses).

        To ‘trust’ the Creator isn’t to believe it’s good when it’s horrible, but I need to believe the doctors of the soul, the Kabbalists, who alert me that I am currently ill. I have a condition that causes me to see the world as shattered. And I need to do the exercises they prescribe, in order to correct my vision. And that starts first of all with arranging this correct perception of reality, and then doing something about it.

        In the meantime, I need to locate the guidance of this None Else But Him through the concealment, and go with this guidance though it’s not the guidance I prefer. That’s why I generally don’t hear Him. To want to hear the Creator, who always pushes me toward connection, prefers this, and waits for nothing else, is one interpretation of ‘trust the Creator’.

        • #475631
          Verena
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          Thank you Gianni… now… in the morning lesson today, there were so many examples… and I understand it’s about making an effort in spite of everything given to a person . About trying to “turn over”… and that whichever movement there is… it’s about the effort, the change, the acceleration of development… and I wonder if only this is spiritual, because anything else is nature. Which makes me feel it’s still 95 percent “ nature”… meaning just humans versus humans, acting out the laid out script… which then would mean in all the pain, suffering, darkness… there is no creator there and no reason to call upon him, because this is just what humans do to humans and the creator is a force acting around it… but doesn’t meddle with the script itself. Is that so? I really wonder what to do with all the multiple imprints of pain this “natural” life leaves… what is it that people say or do when they suffer or see others suffer and they have Kabbalistic understanding? How do they go through such things as opposed to people who don’t have that “awakened point in the heart”?

        • #475688

          Yes, only the acceleration counts, what is more than what I did the day before, an hour before, a minute before. There is a certain amount of ground to cover, and I only cover more of it in the acceleration. That’s because just as there is no experiment you can do inside a smoothly moving spaceship to determine your “true” speed – whether going 1 mph or a million mph – you do not feel a change except in acceleration of your spiritual work – and there is no work except relative to you.

          No, we won’t be able to change the script but we should always call out to the Creator. In this, we can change ourselves, the more accurate our prayer is, and through changing myself, I change my perception, and then I see a better world. There’s no actual pain, like when I see that a whole trauma I just went through was all a dream. We just need to come out of this dream quickly.

    • #475570
      ilse
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      So if i understand everything right: all creatures in this creation are self-centered, even more, self-centeredness is the reason why we exist as a “separate” being, as an ego, as an “I”, with our self in the centre. This self-centeredness is evil because it’s the opposite of how the Creator is (all inclusive), and even when we do “good”, we do evil, because we are doing this good only for our self. Conclusion: this whole creation is evil, and to get rid of Satan, we must get rid of our self. But how can one get rid of himself ?

      • This reply was modified hace 2 semanas, 3 días by ilse.
      • #475585

        Satan, I don’t know. Let’s say, the ego. We get rid of it by being above it, in the ten. If I’m thinking of it, meaning of my interest, then I’m feeding it, it’s growing stronger. If I’m thinking beyond my skin, my investment in the ten, the Creator, is growing, and the ego is dying.

        • #475676
          ilse
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          Thanks Gianni. Well, i hope i can be part of a ten very soon (i don’t know when a new group will open?).

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    • #475509
      Helen
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      Hi Gianni, two questions:

      before machsom, is all I shall focus is to hold the importance of the will to bestow though I don’t really  have that quality yet, but I constantly hold that as my important goal and do everything the sages suggested, the rest will be done by the light? such as a right prayer, a right intention, a right desire?
      if so, How can I measure progress? How can I know the Light is acting

      thanks

      Helen

      • #475511

        The light is always acting but how much? To the extent I do everything I can imagine I’d do if I was already in Lishma.

        • #475528
          Helen
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          how can I even imagine Lishma since I have no quality of it?

        • #475536

          There is enough of an image provided for us to imagine it from the first 20 articles of Rabash. It’s truly enough. It’s not that we will imagine it correctly but it’s enough for the Reforming Light to work.

    • #475484
      Ben
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      Hello everyone.

      Spiritual study has been my passion for most of my life.

      I’ve been a serious student of both the Eastern and Middle Eastern faiths as well as dabbled in some of the more obscure philosophies.

      I even spent quite a few years as a Buddhist teacher.

      When I discovered Kabbalah it brought all of these other spiritual practices into perspective and confirmed many of the things I found hard to accept in these other practices as being false.

      I’m explaining all this to give you an idea of both my passion for spirituality and that I accept the potential that I may be more corrupted just as easily as I may be more advanced than your average student with my limited experience in Kabbalah.

      This week I just completed the 20 weeks of introductory courses and have entered into the Graduate Environment.

      For decades, most days I wake up around 3am and read spiritual books for an hour or three before I start my day.

      These days I read Kabbalist books.

      I’ve read the “Shamati” from cover to cover…granted I only understood about 25% of it.

      Currently I’m about 2/3 through “Attaining the Worlds Beyond”…love it! That one I believe I understood about 80%.

      Considering that often I have to re-read the same paragraph a few times to let it sink in, I think that’s quite a bit of reading that I’ve done over the past 20 weeks.

      One of the major things that I find disturbing and somewhat contradictory in Kabbalah is how our egoistic nature is often labeled as evil.

      Aside from what I’ve been reading about how we only advance through our bouncing between the right line of faith and the left line of intellect, it makes no sense that anything in all of creation could be evil.

      To me it would seem that our egoist nature is no more evil than an electron.

      Both protons and electrons, both egoist and altruist, both faith and intellect, are all part of our Creator’s perfect plan.

      Balance is the nature of nature.

      We can only appreciate a thing by observing its opposite.

      Caterpillar to butterfly…tadpole to frog…our egoistic nature is a necessary phase in our development.

      Am I seeing things clearly or am I getting hung up on some other spiritual philosophy from my past studies?

      • #475497

        Hi Ben,

        Your instinct was correct. But the term is also irreplaceable. One time at a wedding, a guy whispered to Rabash, “I heard that the Creator not only created good, but also evil!” Rabash turned to him and said, “And I heard that the Creator created only evil.” Evil is what the Creator created so that we would (1) recognize it as such, and (2)  transform it to good; from the quality of reception, to its opposite: bestowal. It’s the matter of Creation. Here’s your clay, now work it into an opposite form. This transformation by us is critical. By this process, we become similar to the Creator in a conscious way, and the conscious piece is essential to the Plan of Creation. Without that, it works out that we’re automations. This awareness begins with gradual realization of what this evil in us is – meaning the all-pervasiveness of our ego (the will to receive for myself) and what’s evil about it. Meaning it causes me evil until I develop to a point where I can start inverting this raw force to its opposite. That’s not a simple, easy, or fast thing. And until I can do it, it’s not exactly what you said – merely the minus/negative force in the equation – but instead it is actually the cause of all bad/suffering in my life and in the world. The extent of it is unimaginable. That’s why it’s called the revelation of evil. One wouldn’t be able to handle knowing all this about oneself to such an extent, so it’s a gradual process. In fact, most leave the wisdom of Kabbalah the first time this mirror is slightly revealed, like kids who hear a noise in a dark woods and never return to it again. But this correction awaits us, whenever we get around to it. Because this evil is in us whether we know about it or not, orchestrating the randomness and unpleasantness. Thus, our suffering grows such that we would not be able to wait too long to correct ourselves. This and only this, the wisdom of Kabbalah helps us do (because one came to this world to do only this).

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