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    Gil
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    • #475853
      Helen
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      Hi Gianni

      Regarding prayer: I realize that almost all the prayers I can form come from knowledge, from what we read and what we are taught , rather than from an actual inner desire. In moments of suffering, whether in corporeal life or in the work in the Ten, my spontaneous prayer is always “why does it have to be this way?” or “please fix or change this.” Even when I pray for faith, for example, “give me the strength to believe that He is good who does good” ,  the inner intention is still to remove the pain caused by the lack of faith, not to bestow.

      I see that I do not truly have a heartfelt prayer for bestowal itself. I recognize that I lack both the will and the power to bestow; I only have the knowledge that I should want it. Painful situations reveal this very clearly, and it is a difficult realization.

      How should I correctly relate to this state? How does one move from prayers based on knowledge and suffering,  toward a true prayer, if the desire itself is missing?

      thanks

      Helen

      • #475878

        A prayer from pain that I can’t bestow, is good. There’s a sequence of prayers standing before us, that we need to come to – realizations of what it is that we can’t do. That fact that we despair on the way instead of continue just means these prayers lie ahead still. That’s why “I wish he would pray all day.”

        With corporeal suffering, it means I didn’t act prior to the Creator, so now I’ll act for sure. In this case all I can do is be reminded to be more goal-oriented and focus on my spiritual work in the ten.

    • #475849
      Helen
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      Hi Gianni

      What is the correct use of corporeal pain in the work? I understand that corporeal situations are not the workplace of correction, but only raw material. How should I correctly bring this raw material into inner work? Is it correct to envision a more corrected inner state(only focus on intention?) , and from the gap between my current state and that inability to reach that new intention, form a true deficiency and prayer? How can corporeal pain be transformed into material for internal correction without turning it into psychological work or an attempt to fix corporeal life?

      thanks

      Helen

      • #475880

        As I said above. Corporeal pain means the Light reaches my egoistic vessel before I brought it to a more corrected state. Now, the pain will help to soften my heart a bit toward my spiritual path.

        • #475884
          Helen
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          that clarifies the role of corporeal pain. My followup question is: when specific egoistic qualities are revealed through pain: for example insecurity, comparison, competitiveness ,etc. How should I correctly relate to these revelations in the work? not to aim to improve a corporeal problem but to transform those deficiencies to  spiritual deficiencies that I can pray for correction?

        • #475894

          You have to learn how to translate these things. Here, I can’t go into one’s individual work.

        • #475997
          Helen
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          I understand that the translation itself is part of one’s individual work, and I’m not asking for guidance on transforming specific deficiencies. My question is more about orientation: when egoistic deficiencies are revealed through corporeal pain, what is their correct place in the work? Should such deficiencies be brought to the Creator through prayer as they are? Should they be brought to the Ten as a general deficiency, without entering corporeal details? Or should one wait until these deficiencies are revealed directly in the spiritual work itself? How should I understand the correct “workflow” for relating to such revelations?

        • #476029

          Mainly, corporeal pain signals that the Light preceded the work to correct the vessel. So the Light reached the egoistic vessel, and so it feels like suffering. Now I have to typically make physical steps in our world according to its laws. Bring this deficiency to the ten? I need to think if that will help them – or is it already present in the ten by me, with this deficiency, overcoming and entering the spiritual work above it?

    • #475804
      Kima
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      “Were it not for the Creator’s help, he would not overcome it.”

      1- What is this ‘help‘? And what does help mean?
      2- How do we, in the ten, reach a state where we yearn for the Creator’s help?

      • #475881

        The Creator helps by sending suffering which lowers a person from his pride and opens his ears to the words of the sages; or, a person prays, leaps toward the spiritual before the impending Light reaches his uncorrected vessel of reception, which will be felt as suffering. How will you leap? You need to awaken your friends in ways that will cause them to leap. Cause in your friends the prayer from the center of the ten that you yourself would like to have.

    • #475798
      Greg
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      Hey Gianni,

      I was wondering where the text can be found, as to the story of Rabbi Shimon and his 10 in the cave can be found.

      Thanks

      Greg

    • #475748
      Verena
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      There is another question… what is the definition true love in Kabbalah? It seems not to be in our words, it seems to be in the action… but it seems like a long-term goal to find out what it really is, and like we have very limited sensors to get there.

      I understand there is this approach to feel the resistance coming in the connection, and go above it… but is this an action of love? What else would be an action of love? And how can I grow towards truly loving others, even an inch closer? How can I make actions of overcoming count, so that it’s not just a mechanical action, but truly and acceleration in my efforts. Because it feels like we spend so much time in the same state , going through the same routines, having the same prayer… and nothing happens… and then I think if it’s a mechanical thing… if it’s just an obligation… the same again and again… does it change anything? Or how do we have to constantly increase our efforts, especially among friends? How do we really jump on that spaceship to accelerate and get into a new orbit? And where in all this is love? What is actually real love? How can we find out? How can we grow towards it and not deviate?

      • #475788

        Love is easy to define because I have a living example every moment of my life, of how I consider myself, plan for myself, and attend to the slightest imperfection, whether in the present or the future. Like this, I need to care for the friend’s spirituality. But for this I would need to nullify all my self-interest. But how will I live then? That’s what I think, but actually, 90% of my time turns out to be available for this, even after doing everything I need to secure my livelihood. But I don’t want to give my internal intentions to the friends because that’s against my nature. That’s why I need all kinds of exercises and the corresponding response of the Reforming Light to gradually change me.

    • #475747
      Verena
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      Hi Gianni, thanks so much for your recent answers:). How can we help feel each other that acceleration? How can we connect in such a way that we truly reach a new state? Is it a passive thing… or is it an active goal?

      • #475780

        Nothing will come passively. Time is not even considered to be passing. If I move my heart to connection with the friends that is aimed at adhesion with the Creator, let’s say a millisecond passed. By the Earth revolving the sun, only the boot to kick me is raising in the air. I need to run faster than the boot, and that’s doing more of these efforts than I did yesterday, or better, helping my friends to. This is primarily through the correct example of how to adhere to the spiritual path.

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