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    Ask anything about week 4 lesson and materials and get an answer from a senior Kabbalah instructor.

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    • #183751
      Esther
      Participant

      First, the will to bestow and will to receive remind me very much of yin and yang and the symbol for it as one circle, like the light filling the first kli.

      Also, I see people acting with the intention of the will to bestow everywhere.  Being a mother, I know my intention is to nurture my child over my own desires.  People often make sacrifices for others, first responders, health care workers dealing with covid, firemen rushing into buildings to save people, etc.

      Doesnt this show that the will to bestow is also inherently part of the creature?

      • #183781

        Esther,
        If I refer to the musical note E.  It means something to me, but it doesn’t mean that much to me.
        But if I was a trained musician who practiced for 8 hours a day, I have a relation with E.  I can hear that note in my head even without an instrument.  I know how to approach the E note to make is sound powerful or subtle.  If I play an F# after it it, called a 2nd, it  sounds foreboding like in Jaws.  If I play a B note after it, called a 5th, it  sounds epic like in Star Wars.  There are a lot of qualities, maybe endless qualities to the note E.
        And so it is with definitions in the wisdom of kabbalah.  We are using words that everyone uses, but we are pointing to spiritual operations.  So although E is E, E is not always E :))
        In other words there is a lot of information packed in the world bestowal.
        When a kabbalist writes about bestowal, he is pointing to a spiritual quality.
        Certainly in our world the love of a mother is an expression of bestowal and this stems from the root of the mother and the child in Bina and her relation to Malchut.  But in our world this is not the bestowal that the kabbalists are writing about.
        All of the system of nature is built on reception and bestowal, on – & +.
        When we refer to bestowal we are speaking of spiritual + which is something that is on a degree above the animal degree which is where our bodies are.
        Seth@KabU

    • #183498
      Etienne Fourie
      Participant

      Good morning, Thank you all for Teaching us this amazing Wisdom.

      Could I say, the Creator is 100% giver of the light and the creature “should’ be 100% receiver of the light but in this process the receiver can be a “glass”, receiving the light to shine brightly as for itself. The receiver can also be corrected to be a “mirror” receiving the light but now reflecting it back so that the giver can shine brightly?

      • #183709

        Etienne,
        It’s mostly correct.  It’s a very good understanding.
        The receiver will remain a receiver.  This receiver is the only thing that the Creator created.
        Upon her will to receive she will build a screen.  According to her intention/attitude to want to be like the Creator, that determines how much she bestows back to the Creator.
        Seth@KabU

    • #183196
      JP
      Participant

      I can not avoid imagining how this four faces work. It might be because we are limited by senses and time… the latter is only a theory as far as science can explain it.

      How are these four phases happening? I don’t think we can talk about the past here… How should we perceive this? or Is it only a a tool used so we can understand why we feel the need to seek for an answer, to seek for the Creator?

      • #183708

        JP,
        We have a problem.
        In spirituality there is no time, no past and no present.
        So we need to speak about something, and we are a little bit more than monkeys and we need to perceive spiritual reality beyond time.
        So what the kabbalists gave us in their books is what they attained.  They felt those spiritual things and then with a pen and paper they conveyed those attainments to us.  For us as we go from sensation to sensation, we perceive that as the passing of time.  We write these four phases and their root phase as a sequence, but it is more like a like of code and until the whole line of code is read and executed, nothing happens, once the code is executed, it all takes place together.
        We’ll come across this blueprint when we learn about worlds, the sefirot, the partzufim, about our soul and in many more places.
        Seth@KabU

    • #182943
      BEN
      Participant

      hi sir may i ask too – what is in the screen that it is only through it that the creature can experience true delight? in our corporeal life, so it means that when someone wants to bestow to us, we have to receive it not because we totally want it, but because part of us wants to delight the giver too? is pacman a good analogy? like if one just takes everything out of greediness. there really is no lasting fulfillment versus when what i receive is really given with love from somebody else? thank you

      • #182969

        Elizabeth,
        Take any of our corporeal senses, our physical senses, such as the eyes.  We do not receive all of the light coming from the sun.  There is a screen (a masach) that reflects back most of the light and a small amount enters inside and from that we project in our brain a depiction of the outside world.
        Also our ears.  There are sounds 1000 kilometers away, if we had different ears, we would hear them.  There are sounds in this room now that if our ears were stronger, we would hear them.  So there are many waves and some of them, depending on the nature of the screen, those vibrations hit the screen and from that we perceive sound.
        From these examples you can imagine a spiritual screen that works with spiritual light.
        Seth@KabU

    • #182926
      BEN
      Participant

      if the vessel is meant to receive in order to bestow tothe creator, why did the phases not end in bechina gimel? and does this mean that our next level in returning should be bechina gimel?

      for example, a married couple. the husband receives fr the creator and bestows to the wife because this is what the creator is and wants? what if the wife receives but does not bestow back to the husband or maybe does not even receive what the husband wants to bestow. what should the husband do?

      on a different angle, if i receive an idea for a project, how can the 4 phases work on this?

      thanks

      • #182968

        Elizabeth,
        It’s very good to see how you are thinking of this.
        We are learning about the system, we are visiting a factory where they for example process wheat.
        So the wheat is harvested (of course before that it is planted and there are many steps there), and then gathered and brought to the factory where it is sorted, cleaned and processed to make flour and later it will become bread and cakes and many things.
        So we are looking in the window and we are seeing one part of the process.
        Let’s imagine for now that we are not applying this all to our lives.  It is good to think about how it all fits, but in truth we can’t solve all of this yet because we are just looking at one part of the process we didn’t get to the part where our world is created and then our soul is created and shattered and then finally we come into the picture.
        So far, in these four phases, there is no created being yet.
        We are observing, studying the process.
        The purpose of creation is to create a creature and fill it with fulfillment.
        In order to do that we need a vessel that can hold all of the abundance, that is called malchut, the fourth phase.
        Until then the vessel does not reach it’s completeness.
        Let’s leave the husband and wife example aside for a minute since there are many many discernments in your example.
        But simply if you have an idea, first the idea appears from the air, then you draw it, make some plans, then you collect materials and then you build.  The final material goal is contained in that initial thought.
        Seth@KabU

    • #63462
      mark
      Participant

      Is this right or am I way off?

      So, in turn every action we do, as far as giving goes, is for the benefit of the way it will make us feel when you do it.  It may make us feel good that we gave to charity or it may make us feel good that we bought a person a meal. So by us giving we are receiving a fulfillment.  We are still receiving, which still inturn makes it a selfish act.

      The intention is where are thoughts need to be.  The intention needs to be, not to receive pleasure but to progress someone else in spiritual growth.  To give in order to spread spiritual growth.

      • #126093

        Mark,
        In theory you are right.  In practice, not yet.
        Everything you said we can agree to, however, there is no such thing as good or bad about it.
        Q:  What did the Creator make?  What is the only creation in all of reality?
        A:   The will to receive, which develops according to 4 phases, inanimate, vegetative, animate and speaking.

        So that there is a calculation running in me that I don’t do anything unless there is some benefit for me, in that I am no different than a molecule of water or a banana or an orangutan.  We all are running the same software, just at differing degrees of complexity.
        So if I give food to a starving person, and you tell me I did it just to make myself feel better, well it’s true, but someone else was concerned with getting home to feed her child didn’t notice the starving person and the soccer player who was playing soccer all day didn’t see the starving person, so we are in a very large and intricate web of forces.  It is good to think about it, but we have no use to waste time calling this or that selfish, it is a law of nature, just like rain and sunshine.
        All of the inanimate, vegetative and animate desires in us are running this software without our permission, they just do.
        According to our society we decide what is called “good” or “bad” and that can change from society to society and from generation to generation.

        Now, here, we are discovering where is the human part, the spiritual part, the part where we can be free and fulfilled.  In spirituality, “good” is called that I have an intention to bestow and “bad” is called that I have an intention to receive for myself.  However we already said that in the previous 3 degrees that is my natural software running, so it’s not considered bad spiritually, that is how nature, the Creator made me.  So now I need to find where is the spiritual action?
        This takes time, that is what we will be working on as we progress together, where is that place where I can have the intention, what is that intention, how to I build it, upon what do I build it?
        Seth@KabU

        • #126177
          mark
          Participant

          thank you

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