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    Ask anything about week 4 lesson and materials and get an answer from a senior Kabbalah instructor.

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    • #189860
      Eliyahu
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      <p style=”text-align: left;”>The way the lights enter the kli as Tony described it in this clip looks as if Nefesh enters Keter of the Toch, and finally Yechida enters Malchut of the Toch. Was it on purpose that it looks that way? To me it seems that it was explained in an opposite way in later courses.</p>

      • #190198

        Eliyahu,
        Yes, it looks like the light is clothed on the degree of Nefesh first and then Ruach, Neshama, Chaya and Yechida.
        But in this diagram Tony is not talking about Keter and Malchut, you are mixing two things here.
        We didn’t get to the Rosh, Toch and Sof.
        All of those things exist in here, but to study this correctly follow just the details we are studying it will be a much quicker and straightforward way to absorb the material.
        This wisdom is infinite, at any moment you can bring up anything from anywhere, but we can’t advance like that in a systematic way.
        Seth@KabU

      • #190197

        Eliyahu,
        Yes, it looks like the light is clothed on the degree of Nefesh first and then Ruach, Neshama, Chaya and Yechida.
        But in this diagram Tony is not talking about Keter and Malchut, you are mixing two things here.
        We didn’t get to the Rosh, Toch and Sof.
        All of those things exist in here, but to study this correctly follow just the details we are studying it will be a much quicker and straightforward way to absorb the material.
        This wisdom is infinite, at any moment you can bring up anything from anywhere, but we can’t advance like that in a systematic way.
        Seth@KabU

    • #188227
      Michelle
      Participant

      No questions quite yet. Grateful for these lessons beyond words.

    • #185168
      Niklas
      Participant

      Week 4 is different for me. In Week 3 I felt how big my vessels are and how the “reforming Light” simply filled those vessels. At times, I felt tremendous joy, while my vessels were being filled. The more saturated they got, the less pleasure I felt, until it vanished altogether. In week 4, however, my vessels do not seem to be anywhere close to being able to absorb the “reforming Light”.

      In fact, paying attention to the lectures is rather difficult. I have to fight not to fall asleep (not because I am bored, but because my mind rejects the information so hard that it wants me to go to sleep). I opt to practice “force him, until he says I want”.

      So, my question is, is it important to stay with a lesson until I feel that I have understood a significant portion of it or is it O.K. to simply keep studying with a proper intention, even though I feel like most concepts have completely went over my head? I would find it very relieving, if I knew that all the concepts will be discussed again and again in later lessons, until, eventually, it finally clicks and I am like “Ohhhhh” (now I have attained it).

      Also, currently, while studying, I always hold a mixture of the intentions “in order to merge with the Creator” and “in order to transform my qualities into the altruistic qualities of the Creator”. Is this the correct intention? Is it the same, if I study the texts with the intention “in order to give joy to the Creator?”. Are all three intentions the same or do you recommend a specific intention while studying?

      I am a little confused because on one hand I am told that I should hold the intention of “attaining the same level of the teachers” while studying. At the same time, however, I am also told that I should build a screen over each of my desires. An intention that cloths the reception of pleasure with the intention “in order to bestow”, so that the pleasure I receive is simultaneously an act of giving.

      • #188395

        Niklas,
        I’m very happy for you.
        Seth@KabU
        This is what RABASH wrote about that state:
        However, now that he sees that in the work of bestowal, the body has nothing to receive, the person stands before a dilemma: He can say that now he is in a state of descent, called “transgression.” At that time, he falls into despair and says that now he sees that the most important is to bestow, but he cannot work in order to bestow, therefore he must escape the campaign and return to at least enjoy the corporeal life. Or, he can say that when he began this work, all the actions were with the aim Lo Lishma. At that time the work was not against the will to receive, so the body did not object. But now that he has been rewarded with knowing about the existence of Lishma, called “working for the sake of the Creator,” the body should certainly object because it is against nature. So, how can we work for the sake of the Creator? The answer is that it is inherent in nature that the small can serve the great without any reward, since it feels great pleasure in serving it.

    • #184959
      BEN
      Participant

      hello Sir.  since we as the vessel are totally a being of reception, does this mean that in everything that we do, even if our intention is bestowal, there is always an element of reception? for example, i truly want to help another person, but deep within me, i feel good about myself – this is still reception? so does this mean we can never ever find that 100% satisfaction while we are in this corporeal world?

      • #188394

        Beth,
        You are correct.  Every thing we do in this world is reception.
        This is similar to an animal.  It is not called good or bad.  It is all instinct, all the program of nature running.  It is not possible to reach satisfaction in this world because in order to enjoy anything, we first have to have a lack for that thing.
        Kabbalah means “receiving”. The wisdom of kabbalah is the wisdom of how to receive endlessly, to be truly satisfied.
        Seth@KabU

        • #218962
          Maricor
          Participant

          Seth@KabU,

          so how to receive endlessly, to be truly satisfied? to receive all the pleasure the Creator wanted to give and be able to contain it?

    • #184883
      Denise
      Participant

      I really don’t have an actual question but rather a comment. I believe that this journey is a very interesting one.  The concept of Spirituality is a little different than I have known or seen and so for me I am listening, reading and en-grafting new and relevant information which makes sense to me.  The pieces of the puzzle also are now coming together and fit better than they did before.  Thank you for being great teachers.

    • #183755
      Jonathan Lawrence
      Participant

      What was the exact discernment made that separates Behina Aleph from Behina Dalet? Since this is happening outside of time and space, I would assume that it is the appearance of the Tzimtzum, and only the appearance of the Tzimtzum, that prevents these two phases from being the exact same thing.

      Am I then right in assuming that the appearance of the Tzimtzum is actually the birth of the spiritual desire? This seems like the actual beginning of the Will to Bestow rather than the Creature’s quest for more pleasure, as I assume Aleph, Bet, and Gimmel are supposed to represent. In which case, the fourth phase is where the two things that are completely opposite from each other (and the only two forces in existence) actually begin to become the same thing. That must be the most powerful single force that exists in Creation, unless I am mistaken – my mind actually equates it with the beginning of Creation as it “appears,” itself.

      That would also explain why Aleph, Bet, and Gimmel are “Actions of the Creator” instead of “Actions of the Creature,” as the only action a Creature can really take in a world of pure Bestowal is to seek to become like that Bestowal. Everything else is predetermined and non-existential, and thus the work of the Creator alone.

      Are the Tzimtzum and Masach the same thing? If not, what is the difference between them?

      I know I asked a lot but I’ve needed clarification on this topic for a long time as I still do not quite grasp it. I intuit that this is unfathomably deep wisdom so I am almost hesitant to ask, but I want to understand what I am being taught without skipping anything. Thank you!

      • #183801

        Jonathan,
        Everything was one, everything was OK, in Godly harmony.
        What was missing there?
        Only for the created beings to understand where they are, in the Creator.
        How is it possible to reach a state where we can feel that we are in the Creator?
        Only “as far as light excelleth from darkness”.
        That is why we have these phases and all that happens after that.

        The created being…and we didn’t reach the created being yet.., the created being comes after this sequence of operations that we are learning here.  We still need to go through the building of the partzufim, the sefirot and the worlds.
        After the four phases of direct light, Behinat Aleph, Bet, Gimmel and Dalet comes the Tzimtzum Aleph.
        You are correct that malchut cannot bestow.  What does she have that she can bestow?  Nothing that she has is hers.  She didn’t make herself and the light she is filled with comes from Him.
        So she stops receiving, that is called Tzimtzum Aleph.  After that she goes through a process of admitting light bit by bit only as much as she can receive it with the correct intention to bestow back to the Creator.  To the extent of her rejection, that builds the masach.
        Through this process of purification of the desire performed by the masach by which it allows to enter called Inner Light, the masach  rejects the rest of the light called Surrounding Light, by this she purifies herself until after many operations there is a shattering and then finally finally we get to the creature.
        Seth@KabU

        • #190401
          Dyrk
          Participant

          I just want to share that….

          I found Jonathan’s particular questions and Seth’s subsequent answers with this post to very beneficial to my own understanding at this juncture.

          Many smiles!

          Dyrk

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