- This topic has 170 replies, 65 voices, and was last updated 6 days, 5 hours ago by
.
- Replies
In his blog, Rav Laitman writes the following:
“Our collective effort awakens the Light that fills the World of Infinity, and draws It to us in the form of the Surrounding Light, which shines on us from afar. The Surrounding Light, in turn, makes us similar to Malchut of the World of Infinity.” (https://laitman.com/2009/09/what-is-the-upper-light-2/)
But, since the Light that fills the World of Infinity is always “at rest,” i.e. does not change, would it not be more accurate to state: Our collective effort awakens us to the Light fills the world of Infinity, and draw us to it in the form of the surrounding Light”?
It’s not written this way in the writings of Kabbalists. We draw the Light. We actually need to draw the Light to our state to change us because we can’t raise ourselves. And when the Light comes and we do rise, understand that Light is a phenomenon that takes place in the Vessel. It isn’t somewhere in some Eyn Sof. That Eyn Sof is also a phenomenon in the fully corrected Vessel. To rise means to change from reception to bestowal. There’s no “place” to rise to. No time. Everything is taking place inside the Kli.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Thank you Gianni. After so many years I began to understand the transition between Zeir Anpin and Malchut and how this is an independent action.</p>
Where I am still hanging is that Malchut at the end has a problem with shame by feeling this extra desire which is so much higher and looks a bit naughty.Did this extra pleasure only fulfill Malchut, so she pleased only herself, or did the Creator enjoy with her too?
Hi Friends
Gianni, it seems like in phase 1 the light lets you feel the pleasure of The Giver and that is what you want to do, be a giver like “The Giver”. I noticed that from The Retreat. It let us feel what the Giver feels and then you want to be a giver like “The Giver”. I have to say that this method we are studying here feels so right, flawless, inevitable ultimatly unavoidable.
Hi Orlando,
Well, we can’t say that the phenomena we felt during the retreat was as in the Phase 1 of Four Phases, which we described here. You felt there a bit closer to the others, as the Light united you, and in that connection you started feeling somewhere far in the distance the corrected Kli. But the Kli that is already after the Shattering of the Kelim.
Gianni,
On one the answers above it was said that “there are many ways to the Creator.”…I understand then, that the desire the Creator has put in me to know Him and attain equivalence of form with Him can be attained on the path I’m currently on, and that by studying Kabbalah this thought might be confirmed to me. Can you explain this a little bit more? Thanks
A person has to go with a path and a teacher that they feel is the truth, and hopefully it’s the right one. It doesn’t mean it leads to the revelation of the Creator during this lifetime, as not everyone has a true desire for that, but most have desires that are sort of on the way to that. He will have no confirmation that he is on the right path until he has already fully devoted himself to that path without any reservations, and without any “proof”. And that “any reservations” is checked thoroughly, not by the teacher but by the Upper Force that is within the person, measuring his heart with infallible accuracy. Because to have both found the correct path that ;eads to the Creator and to stick to it like a dog holding a bone, are both measures of his desire, and the Creator is revealed only to one who has a true and complete desire.
Yes but one needs to learn quite a bit and the Light also needs to work on him so that he will understand Who is the Creator, where is He found, how do I aim my thought and desire towards Him… I have to learn to take what He is showing me through this reality, and also aim back to Him, through this reality.
Hi Friends, how much time the Kabbalists recommend you study ? I heard in the past retreat that Rav Laitman studies at 3am so my question is, I live in Puerto Rico so if I want to unite in study and prayer with his students should I do so at 8pm ( which is 3am in Israel ) ?
Hi Orlando,
It depends at what stage in your studies you are. Right now it’s sufficient to do what is offered here. In the graduate program you will have up to 3-4 lessons per week you have the option to join. In Israel they study from 3am to 5:30am because that’s a time when a person can be free of all corporeal obligations. And many friends go to bed early to be able to do that. But if you watch that lesson at whatever time it is in your time zone, that is fine. Also, spirituality doesn’t take a lot of time, it takes internal intention. With the correct inner work you can do in a second more than one typically does in a lifetime. The quality and not so much the quantity is what counts.
Is shame a necessary incentive in building the screen? The more shame, the more restriction to my egoistic desires, with a chance to change to receive in order to bestow?
No, we can’t put ourselves into the feeling of shame. It’s impossible, and so it won’t be true. So, we need an alternative approach. We need to establish our relationship to the Upper Force that fills the whole of reality, operating each and everything and me and all my desires and thoughts and actions. We need to see how much we can tolerate swimming in this discernment.
And then, when we give it a good check, we’ll see that we also need to be in touch with a strong environment of those who are also trying to follow the same path, if we wish to succeed.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.