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    • #185832
      Elena
      Participant

      Question # 1

      Hello Gianni, and thank you.

      But what represents the 80% going up, from Zeir Anpin? Could you please make an example of this concept? Now, let’s say I as Hochma understand. So I love to sacrifice some of the things the light gives me. Is this (20%) represented by the renunciation of some material pursuit? the 20% is the light going down into me. Yes, (question): is this because I don’t want to receive all the light as I choose to renunciate to some material things? and what does the 80% going up as offering represents? What the creator is getting from my offerings of the 80%? 

      question #2

      As you said in the beginning I am Hochma in the first phase – Am I already empty? So when the creator stars putting light inside at 100%? (or you meant that the creator’s intention is to pour the light at 100%, but is not there yet?

      I had very intense strange dreams last night. I’m very confused about this please, help me understand. Thank you!!

       

      • #190202

        Hi Elena,

        Sorry I missed this. These matters do not speak of us, as we are now. They speak of a reality we no longer feel, which precedes our existence in these bodies on a planet in a universe that exploded and expanded from a point. This is about a preceding reality in which all was one, and that One was a single desire, and inside this desire the Upper Light was entering and exiting, and thus developing that desire by this contact with the Light. We learn about this to awaken a force in nature that is capable of bringing us closer to these states, all the way until we return to the state of absolute perfection.

        So, accordingly, this does not speak of you renouncing some pursuit you enjoy. It’s not necessary because it won’t help bring you closer to spirituality. Later we’ll see that there is something we need to renounce, and that it is only the intention to receive, and not the reception itself. Of course, the whole perception of reality turns on this intention, we perceive reality entirely through this intention, and accordingly it is far more difficult to change than even renouncing all the pleasures one can think of. Only through correct, consistent study of the wisdom of Kabbalah, can one gradually, gradually change the intention from in order to receive to in order to bestow. And then one has nothing else to do in this world, completes their purpose for existence in this world, and this world starts to disappear.

    • #184677
      Seraphim
      Participant

      In his blog, Rav Laitman writes the following:

      “Our collective effort awakens the Light that fills the World of Infinity, and draws It to us in the form of the Surrounding Light, which shines on us from afar. The Surrounding Light, in turn, makes us similar to Malchut of the World of Infinity.” (https://laitman.com/2009/09/what-is-the-upper-light-2/)

      But, since the Light that fills the World of Infinity is always “at rest,” i.e. does not change, would it not be more accurate to state: Our collective effort awakens us to the Light fills the world of Infinity, and draw us to it in the form of the surrounding Light”?

      • #184695

        It’s not written this way in the writings of Kabbalists. We draw the Light. We actually need to draw the Light to our state to change us because we can’t raise ourselves. And when the Light comes and we do rise, understand that Light is a phenomenon that takes place in the Vessel. It isn’t somewhere in some Eyn Sof. That Eyn Sof is also a phenomenon in the fully corrected Vessel. To rise means to change from reception to bestowal. There’s no “place” to rise to. No time. Everything is taking place inside the Kli.

    • #184660
      Eliyahu
      Blocked

      <p style=”text-align: left;”>Thank you Gianni. After so many years I began to understand the transition between Zeir Anpin and Malchut and how this is an independent action.</p>
      Where I am still hanging is that Malchut at the end has a problem with shame by feeling this extra desire which is so much higher and looks a bit naughty.

      Did this extra pleasure only fulfill Malchut, so she pleased only herself, or did the Creator enjoy with her too?

      • #190165
        johan semloh
        Participant

        What a great question Eliyahu.  I look forward to Gianni’s response.

    • #182875
      ORLANDO
      Participant

      Hi Friends

      Gianni, it seems like in phase 1 the light lets you feel the pleasure of The Giver and that is what you want to do, be a giver like “The Giver”. I noticed that from The Retreat. It let us feel what the Giver feels and then you want to be a giver like “The Giver”. I have to say that this method we are studying here feels so right, flawless, inevitable ultimatly unavoidable.

      • #184682

        The Creator gets contentment when the creature enjoys from being in equivalence with Him, and here in the 4th phase there isn’t really a creature – not even close. This is a desire entirely controlled by the Light without any actions of its own.

      • #183349

        Hi Orlando,

        Well, we can’t say that the phenomena we felt during the retreat was as in the Phase 1 of Four Phases, which we described here. You felt there a bit closer to the others, as the Light united you, and in that connection you started feeling somewhere far in the distance the corrected Kli. But the Kli that is already after the Shattering of the Kelim.

    • #128672
      JP
      Participant

      Gianni,

      On one the answers above it was said that “there are many ways to the Creator.”…I understand then, that the desire the Creator has put in me to know Him and attain equivalence of form with Him can be attained on the path I’m currently on, and that by studying Kabbalah this thought might be confirmed to me.  Can you explain this a little bit more? Thanks

      • #128676

        A person has to go with a path and a teacher that they feel is the truth, and hopefully it’s the right one. It doesn’t mean it leads to the revelation of the Creator during this lifetime, as not everyone has a true desire for that, but most have desires that are sort of on the way to that. He will have no confirmation that he is on the right path until he has already fully devoted himself to that path without any reservations, and without any “proof”. And that “any reservations” is checked thoroughly, not by the teacher but by the Upper Force that is within the person, measuring his heart with infallible accuracy. Because to have both found the correct path that ;eads to the Creator and to stick to it like a dog holding a bone, are both measures of his desire, and the Creator is revealed only to one who has a true and complete desire.

        • #155707
          JP
          Participant

          Thanks for your prompt answer.

          Is a valid to say that I should always question myself to check if whatever I’m doing and believing is for my own sake or the sake of the Creator?

        • #155708

          Yes but one needs to learn quite a bit and the Light also needs to work on him so that he will understand Who is the Creator, where is He found, how do I aim my thought and desire towards Him… I have to learn to take what He is showing me through this reality, and also aim back to Him, through this reality.

    • #128263
      ORLANDO
      Participant

      Hi Friends, how much time the Kabbalists recommend you study ? I heard in the past retreat that Rav Laitman studies at 3am so my question is, I live in Puerto Rico so if I want to unite in study and prayer with his students should I do so at 8pm ( which is 3am in Israel ) ?

      • #128264

        Hi Orlando,

        It depends at what stage in your studies you are. Right now it’s sufficient to do what is offered here. In the graduate program you will have up to 3-4 lessons per week you have the option to join. In Israel they study from 3am to 5:30am because that’s a time when a person can be free of all corporeal obligations. And many friends go to bed early to be able to do that. But if you watch that lesson at whatever time it is in your time zone, that is fine. Also, spirituality doesn’t take a lot of time, it takes internal intention. With the correct inner work you can do in a second more than one typically does in a lifetime. The quality and not so much the quantity is what counts.

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