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Thank you so much for your quick response
I understand that one must exert themselves fully and labor in order to find.. whilst at the same time Lishma is a miracle and comes from Above.. the middle line in this situation and the contradiction is not an issue for me.
My question is in regards to the actual desire of wanting Lishma and wanting to cross the barrier. Since man needs to reach a stage of “emptiness” before crossing, and needs to want to receive nothing at all. Does that include not wanting to receive Lishma? Since asking for it would be an egotistical prayer..
My confusion comes from this and how either a yes or no answer raises questions
if desiring Lishma is the way, then doesn’t that hinder you? Since you are working for that reward. You exert yourself hoping/waiting to receive Lishma. So it is not faith above reason. It is an egotistical request.
if desiring Lishma is not the way, then how can a prayer be raised for it since in Article 5 in Shamati it is stated that only once a true need/desire for it arises, will you be answered from Above.
it seems like an endless loop. You recognise your evil, and recognise that even asking for an escape is selfish. Yet the only way out of the evil is through Lishma. To actually do something not for yourself for once. Yet you feel guilty asking for it because you are asking for selfish reasons.
Thank you
Hello,
I have a question that any answers I find seem to contradict each other.
It is in regards to a screen and obtaining Lishma. I am reading now in the book The Science of Kabbalah volume one
“The “desire to receive” for ones own sake turns first into the desire to receive nothing at all. Then the “desire to give” everything to the Creator appears”
But in Shamati article 5 it states that
“Then, after all the deeds and the remedies, can the prayer be earnest, because he has seen that all his deeds brought him no benefit. Only then can he pray an honest prayer from the bottom of his heart, and the creator hears his prayer and gives him the gift of Lishma.”
My question is – if a person receives nothing for himself, to reach the stage of “emptiness” before TA, does he restrict or not restrict his desire for obtaining Lishma, should that be the only desire left? Because the desire itself would be egotistical before crossing the barrier. If it remains as the only desire, does that hinder you from obtaining it since it is a reward that you’re working for? If it doesn’t remain as a desire, then where is the prayer and the awakening from below?
I can’t seem to get past this contradiction. When a man realises that everything he does is for his own sake, that he is unable to perform any actions for the Creator, when a man truly realises this, how does he move forward? Even asking the Creator for the gift of Lishma would be an egotistical request..
Hello,
I have a question that any answers I find seem to contradict each other.
It is in regards to a screen and obtaining Lishma. I am reading now in the book The Science of Kabbalah volume one
“The “desire to receive” for ones own sake turns first into the desire to receive nothing at all. Then the “desire to give” everything to the Creator appears”
But in Shamati article 5 it states that
“Then, after all the deeds and the remedies, can the prayer be earnest, because he has seen that all his deeds brought him no benefit. Only then can he pray an honest prayer from the bottom of his heart, and the creator hears his prayer and gives him the gift of Lishma.”
My question is – if a person receives nothing for himself, to reach the stage of “emptiness” before TA, does he restrict or not restrict his desire for obtaining Lishma, should that be the only desire left? Because the desire itself would be egotistical before crossing the barrier. If it remains as the only desire, does that hinder you from obtaining it since it is a reward that you’re working for? If it doesn’t remain as a desire, then where is the prayer and the awakening from below?
I can’t seem to get past this contradiction. When a man realises that everything he does is for his own sake, that he is unable to perform any actions for the Creator, when a man truly realises this, how does he move forward? Even asking the Creator for the gift of Lishma would be an egotistical request..
