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Verena from German. I have been studying since 2024 and I am happy to learn more about Hebrew.
And there is one more question… and equally there… it is not about moral judgement, or better… this is what I am trying to get away from… what isn’t the difference of a man going to morning lesson in his ten versus a woman in her ten? I can see there has been quite some development over tge years. Still, … except that corporeal explanation of women having all sorts of duties with kids and family, and therefore don’t have to go…. what is the spiritual distinction made here?
And as to the Advanced Class on Saturday… maybe I am getting confused here… because this was taught, for women not to sing because then men would lose their intention. I am not surprised that it might be different in a congress. However, I don’t want to get confused, either. As to what is asked and what isn’t. What is needed and what isn’t. So… what is needed? What is asked? If I take moral judgement and corporeal thinking out of the equation… how should men and women relate or not relate on the specific topic of speaking and singing and what is that mechanism?
Thank you Gianni, for your explanations. I understand there is a way of how women can support men … and I read that in various articles,too. I did not find as much vice versa. I s there any reciprocal mechanism ? From men to women… and I don’t mean men caring about their own advancement, or if so… how does this reciprocally support women?
Hi Gianni, adding to my previous question… going from the research I did … there are multiple sources hinting at the beautiful complementary mechanisms between men and women (not only the spiritual female and male parts in each person). And there were indicators showing , this complementation is needed. However…when applied practically… there comes up real tension.
Rav says, “There is no inferiority to it” (Rabash, Record 375, Jacob Sent, 2024), “For us there is not much difference between men and women” (Foreword to the Book of Zohar, 2022), and “Arvut has to exist both between the men and the women” (Arvut Inside the Ten, 2021). He also says, “We have to help the women and also give them an example and how to connect” (Deriving the Greatness of the Goal from the Friends, 2022). Rabash describes mutual care as “each one cares only about his friend’s corporeality” (Letter 37, 1957).
Yet women are told, “Don’t wait for anything from the men” (About the Need for Women to Unite, 2007), “The women need to provide this need and the necessary Hissaron to the men,” and “Without this a woman doesn’t receive anything” (Women’s Spiritual Development, Talk 3, 2007–08). “Women’s connection is not built on mutual love like that of men” (About the Need for Women to Unite, 2007). Women’s singing with men is not accepted (Music, Melody and Song, 2024); spiritual meals are described as separate (Kabbalists’ Meal, 2021); and separate prayer gatherings are preferred (Rabash, Letter 34, 2024).
Restrictions, obligations, requests to support’s are more concrete for women, while demands to study and opportunities are placed more with men. Women seem responsible for sustaining men’s aspirations, but their presence is considered a distraction. Men are not asked to restrain their egos and build a stronger intention while women are around. Instead, women are asked to be silent. This sounds very awkward.
If the spiritual mechanism is mutual guarantee, how do we reconcile these concrete asymmetries with equal spiritual responsibility? And, more importantly, how should both women and men work with this apparent inequality so that it becomes an opportunity for genuine reciprocal bestowal, rather than something women are simply expected to accept?
I am asking because I sincerely want to understand how to realize the principles we study in the actual relationships and environment we are building.
Hi Gianni, after yesterday‘s Advanced Class, something got stuck. It was this part where Chaim and Omri explained that men need to be protected from women talking or singing in order to maintain their spiritual aspiration, while women are expected to support the men’s spiritual work. Maybe the striking part was that while listening to the virtual class, in „real life“, there was a crazy guy attacking me in a mall because I stopped him from hurting his child. Actually, still listening to the class, I felt very relaxed. I felt this connection feels so much more true than what’s happening around us. I felt this is not s virtual connection, it’s more real than a crazy guy yelling at me in a mall, when all I do is protect his child… But later I realized… I am alone. And I am asked to support. The men. That’s ok. I am ready to do that. Women support men. That’s ok. We hear that very often. Also in the German Kli meeting before the congress. What shall the women do? Build a circle around the men, so they can do their work. I don’t mind supporting. But what is the mechanism here? And what is the mutuality? Women support men. But how are the women supported? Those contrasts yesterday were so striking (not mixing orporeality into my question… it was just strengthening the experience, the contrast). I really need this clarified. I need to know what „mutual“ and „ complementary „ really means in the work… or if it is a one-sided support chain.
