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VerenaParticipantThank you , Gianni… that’s been really helpful☺️
VerenaParticipantHi :-), well, I was referring to one of the Rabash articles …No 12…
“Hence, there is no other solution but to establish a separate society for themselves…”
“if the society isolates itself from the rest of the people, if they have no connection with other people in regards to spiritual matters, and their contact is only on corporeal matters, they will not mingle with their views”…
“therefore, in matters of work on the path of truth, one should isolate oneself from other people”.
I understood that in order to not get influenced too much by corporeal values and the mindset of what the majority does, one should separate corporeal versus spiritual life, and in one´s spiritual life stick to one´s spiritual society and in the spiritual work isolate from other groups that might influence through their different approach. I totally agree, that to learn any skill or follow any path, I have to be committed equally, that mixing different teachings doesn´t make sense. I just wondered, how I can take care that if I AM in a spiritual society, let´s say in a ten, or even in a bigger group that is comitted to the same goal, we don´t get lost with each other. What is my resonsibility in this? Because, if the group isolates from outer influence, how can it at the same time make sure, it doesn´t go astray? After all, much as we wish to progress, we still are humans and our ego is working in us…
VerenaParticipantHi, I am wondering how to deal with the advise to isolate oneself from external influence in terms of spirituality. When it comes to strong religious or secular communities who may object or mock about spirituality, I can understand. When it comes to other teachings, I am wondering what is meant by isolation…I understand it really doesn’t make sense to mix different approaches, but as a part of locating where I am, to acknowledge these other teachings… rather than hiding from them… I would even consider it beneficial to know them in order to get a clearer view on what I am actually doing, as that shows in the contrast to other things. And finally, what actually makes me feel concerned is, that through isolation one may get stuck or lose the path, as finally, we are all humans, and even if we work with the most beautiful ten, it’s not said, that we don’t get all lost together. So if we isolate in a situation like that, how would we ever know where we are and how to get back on track ? May be you can help me a bit to clarify this demand of isolation.
VerenaParticipantHi, I am wondering, if we work with self-scrutiny, how can we distinguish between relevant and irrelevant states? If for example a friend feels low,… it could be anything… a „descent“, a corporeal-life-based „low state“ or even an adversive life obstacle that will hinder him/her from staying on the path. So how could we differentiate that in order to raise his /her spirit ? Is there any way at all to distinguish between spiritual and corporeal low states and their causes? Or is that irrelevant because it only depends on how it feels internally and how to „get back“ on the spiritual path? I understand, corporeal life should not really have a place in spiritual work, thatś why I wonder how to distinguish these states.
VerenaParticipantHi, to make my question more precise, what I tried to ask is if „life“ as a learning environment is constructed in a way that through our thoughts/feelings/actions /encounters we are exposed to different „states“. So that the purpose of life would not be about what we do / achieve in life, but how we scrutinize, develop and learn to deal with these states. Does that make sense at all? I relate those states to disconnection versus connection, ego versus love of friends.. and finally learning to bestow. I am not sure if I manage to find the right words here, because what I call a „state“ is a sensation that is based a lot on that very first steps in the group work, and even though I am just a beginner, it left an amazing and deep impression. Still, I am not sure if this strong feeling of love, of connection, of home in the work is just grace „from above, like an incentive, or whether this is the right „state“ to look out for (and whether one should be attentive for this at all).
VerenaParticipantHi, I understand life is like a „learning environment“ for the soul. And I feel it is all about the states we go through, and less our feelings /thoughts/ actions which create these states. Is that correct? And how to work with these different states? How do we evaluate them and how do we evaluate the change they bring within us? They currently impress me very much, especially as they seem to be shifting so much. Still, of course, outwardly life goes on as usual.
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