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I am finding a conflict between my religious beliefs the beliefs of Kabbala. It has now got to the point where I have to decide which belief I should commit to and follow. It’s not an easy decision because I have grown to love and have concern for you all. Unfortunately, three of our zoom meetings are on a Sunday and this makes it difficult for me to attend my worship meetings. What I decide it’s going to be a difficult decision, but I feel the need to make a decision soon in order that what whatever, I decide things can settle down. I would value your support, prayers and advice.
Hi,
I am currently speechless. Since I was a child I used to spend hours and hours “seeing” inside of me how this world was not a real world but just a movie (that was my childhood reference back in the ’70s) and that we all referenced to this movie in different ways. That even things a colors (eg. red) was actually perceived differently by every one and only our naming things made us collectively believe they were the same for the whole collective. I also remember trying to have conversations with my parents asking them why no one understood earth was not really a little rock in the universe but rather an “eye” of the Universe (now I’d have better words for it) through which the Universe itself was “looking down” on itself like we might look down at ants, meaning we can see the whole colony at once as one big organism.
I also tried to explain to them God was not a man up there in the sky (raised catholic) but rather it was the Whole of everything but they thought I was just going trough a “phase” and tried to shut me up.
Then I saw lots of pain very early on in my life and never found anyone capable of explaining to me why humans would persist in hurting each others instead of supporting and helping as we were, ultimately, one big organism.
Needless to say I was alone in my visions and words and no one, literally up until now that I found KabU, has ever, ever supported my feelings.
At the peak of my despair, some 12 years ago, I cried with all my heart out to the Universe fro help and understanding and I was literally take by the light. I did not bring the full memory of the experience back with me, but what I remember is the knowledge I had been shown the reason behind everything and that is was so simple, and so… easier? than we make it to be, and also, the first thing I remember when becoming present to my body again was my laughing. As if I had just heard the funnies joke of my life. And the light. For about a week after that my vision was completely different. I SAW God as the Essence of everything, in between the spaced of the atoms as if there was no separation at all and all outlines, border, differences only came out of me naming things that way and therefore giving them a form outside of me. I tried talking about my experience with people I thought were spiritual but had little luck as they were most interested in “secret messages” I might have received more than the unity I felt with every being and thing.
Despite slowly loosing that vision and feeling and not finding others to really share my knowledge of how we’re really all connected as one behind our perception of being separate, I have never been able to un-know. Even as I tried to “give up” everything spiritual given the extreme loneliness I felt for so many years after that experience, I could not un-know. Ever. And I tried. I tried tell myself I had hallucinated out of desire or will, but I could never forget how connected we are and the sheer, complete essence of LOVE that is ALL. I would be the one looking at the most hated being and dare say out loud: “he’s probably just in a lot of fear an loneliness and had no way to know he can be anything different” reversing on my nasty comments.
Now I found KabU and have to work on my ego, and feel blessed I went through 12 years of darkness to get to a community that was right an arm length away from me this whole time, yet hidden so good! I see this was for a good reason yet instinctively I tend to say and think a little more pissed. But hey, working on it!
Anyhow, what I can’t believe, still, despite watching video after video after video more than I eat and drink, is how REAL this all feels. For the first time in my life I feel I’m in the right place.
Please, beside reading all the suggested books and watching all the video I can stay awake to watch and learn, what is the best way for me to attain more? I feel I waited my whole existence for this. I am not Jewish and no no words of Hebrew and this is frustrating as I feel I’m missing out on deeper understanding of writings. I want to understand more! Please how do I go about it? Thanks for your work and support.
Hi Simona,
Sounds like you’re coming along terrifically. There is always room to “add more” but this is in relation to your connection to the environment. At the end of the course you’ll find yourself with others who also want to advance towards the goal and this will be all you need in addition to what you already mentioned–cleaving to the books, teacher and group. Continue what you’re doing and each day you will feel new discernments on your path.
Best of luck!
Chris
I understand that kabbalah was before the religion of judaism.
But How can kabbalah be separate from judaism ? Can one exist without the other? My orthodox friends challenge me this, saying you cannot have kabbalah without judaism, Ive been practicing rabbinical judaism the past 8 years, and after joining KabU, i see there is a deeper meaning with the mizvots. But kabU’s main audience is non jews, how do i fit in if im wearing keepah and tzit tzits tallit etc in my ten? I feel like they might think “i think im better than them”. Or im stuck in religious mind, Am i to throw it all away?
I understand now that nothing physical gives me spirituality but am i to throw it all away after 8 years? The baal Hasulam never did…this is what im confused about. If kabbalah is seperate from judaism that means you can have one without the other? Why physical myzvot than?
Hey Brad,
That certainly would be an opinion but according to Kabbalah’s history, this was began with Abraham. There were no religions at that point. Judaism of today is just an outcome of the point in the heart becoming dormant and after thousands of years what became important is the external actions and distancing from the inner work. Such an emphasis on the external actions only highlights them more and more throughout the years and the Judaism of today is what we see as a result of many many generations engaging only in the externality of the Torah.
There are many on our path who came from religious backgrounds. The only advice we ever offer is “pick one and stick to it.” That doesn’t mean that some don’t keep Shabbat or don’t adhere to certain customs, but they aren’t going to the synagogue and being exposed to a different interpretation of the Torah, for example. A person trying to blend the two will only confuse themselves and at one point will need to make a decision anyway, so it’s best to choose one and not waste time. There certainly will be a kind of “un-learning” where you’ll be used to thinking a certain way and that will change with time, you’ll just need to be flexible.
The way I would look at it is, yes Kabbalah is “separate” from Judaism, but don’t think of it as two branches of the same thing. There’s one which is the authentic method of correction, and the other which appeals to those who have no awakening of the point in the heart. I’m not sure what you mean “throw it all away”… if you ultimately arrived to this path and this is where you feel truth is, then what are you throwing away?
But the reason that causes him to want to ask the Creator to take him out of self-love and give him the light of faith is only that he is Jewish and must observe Torah and Mitzvot because the Creator has commanded us to observe His will. But he sees that he has nothing to do with bestowing upon the Creator. Rather, all his concerns are as those of the gentiles, only self-love. This motivates him to go and ask for something—to be able to be a Jew and not a gentile who belongs to the nations of the world.
Best of luck!
Chris
Ah, understood. Keep it! I think you’ll see it all in new light if you stick around for long enough to go through the significant changes that occur to us all on this path. The whole Jewish religion will be seen in your eyes as different and you’ll understand what happened there. You’ll also understand where the Kabbalists were coming from with the customs they set in place.
Kosher…you do what you want with that. Obviously here in Israel there are many friends who keep it, I would probably say most, and there are some who don’t. What’s important is the intention. This is what we learn in Kabbalah. The action without the intention–is just an action, like you said earlier. The action, with the intention is something completely different. Until we reveal what these actions even are, they’re just actions. If a person keeps these actions but inwardly only wants to bestow to the Creator through love of the created beings, this is a great benefit. The two will eventually align, but this takes time.
The most important actions in the meantime are what revolve around the group, the friends, the environment and our interactions there…what’s our intention when engaging with them? This is the most critical. The rest will fall into place.
Thanks!
Im very satisfied with your answers, last question, Rabbi Adam Polinovskiy, a student of Rabbi Gottlieb (who is supposedly a successor of Rabash, at least, thats the claim.) he has engaged in conversation with me, after i posted an article where Rav Laitman says there is no obligation to keep traditions. His claim is that if the Baal HaSulam or Rabash heard he said that, they would have cut ties with Laitman, and that statement is utter falsehood.
Its easy for me to find quotes from the Baal HaSulam that say along the lines that “physical mizvots mean nothing without intention” but is there anywhere that he says specifically that one is not obligated to keep traditions”?i personally desire to know, not just to have an answer, but it’s important for me. Thank achi
Baal HaSulam says in one of his articles that during the time of correction everyone will keep their customs and traditions and even religions–as they all are necessary in the correction. I’ll try and see what article it’s from but I want to say “The Peace”. We’ll see.
But again, if you find yourself in a back in forth with religiously mindset people, they certainly would not bend in their ideology for something that basically completely negates their beliefs. Don’t ever expect anyone to understand through words what you feel from Kabbalah. Keep that in mind.
Here’s the part (The Writings of the Last Generation):
The religious form of all the nations should first obligate its members to bestowal upon each other to the extent that the life of one’s friend will come before one’s own life, of “Love thy friend as thyself”. One will not take pleasure in society more than a backward friend.
This will be the collective religion of all the nations that will come within the framework of communism. However, besides that, each nation may follow its own religion and tradition; one must not interfere in the other.
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