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I read here again in one of the recommended reading documents, that kabbalists have a particular view on eastern teachings, but i can say that this is not the truth for all teachings. The path that I follow, the path of Self realisation, (not the little self, but the real Self), doesn’t diminsh desires, but transforms them (“corrects” them if you want), just as Kabbalah does. Why is there a tendency to generalize all eastern teachings? It irritates me a bit 😉
It’s because the main teachings of the East follow a certain approach that is characteristic of the approach that was their foundation, which they received through Kabbalists who passed on to them a partial Kabbalah that provided sort of half of the approach for dealing with the ego – in other words, in one line, as opposed to the work among the Three Lines. Today, out of one, two, or three approaches came over 5,000 religions. Here, we speak about the original approach, which in truth, there isn’t much left of it, even in the East itself, let alone in the hands of Western practitioners. But an even better answer is that when we talk about the methods of the East, meaning the original methods, it’s just a way of making more tangible a certain approach toward the Upper Force that is a tendency any student might happen to find themselves in, without realizing it – as in that slight deviation, one simply will not rise upon the spiritual degrees that Kabbalists write about.
every religion believes they have the only solution for human being, Â under the same region, every denomination believes their interpretation of Bible is the only right way. I have the same question to every of those, now to Kabbalah: why Kabbalah is the only way? why are we so sure? aren’t we limiting God by doing so?
There are many ways. However, we’re facing a set of laws of nature. Like in our world, if you knew what all the laws were, there would be no probability but only certainty, so the spiritual dimensions that lie beyond our world are subject to iron laws. The Creator, towards us, is an Upper Law, as it is written, “I, the Lord, do not change.” Therefore, the Kabbalists write that if one wants to discover the Creator, one has to attach themselves to one who attained the Creator, a Kabbalist, and follow their every advice. There could be many ways, but one has to choose one. Meaning, if I haven’t attained the Upper World on my own, it’s certain that I’ll need to choose the way of someone who has, and follow their every advice. Otherwise I’ll remain in this world.
You won’t have proof; instead it’s like my teacher was told when he asked his teacher, he was told, “You won’t get an insurance policy, but you’re free to go out and search for another teacher.” Kabbalists are uninterested in providing proof, and they don’t care about a student’s doubts. The door is open to come, go, and return if you wish, and to leave again.
But to give an answer, how do they know? They know. It’s maybe like how when you awaken from a dream, you know this is the real world, and what you thought was, certainly wasn’t. And let’s say that you awaken again, and discover another realer world. Then you are sure that there will be another and another real world, each more solid than the last, as your awake world is qualitatively more solid than the dream, though you always feel where you are as the real. Except the analogy is inexact when it comes to spiritual attainment. There, the reality of it and all-inclusiveness of it, and the certainty that this is the world of Truth, is certain. And we only don’t understand this because we have never felt truth, as we swim in falsehood like one who was born under the sea and so doesn’t know he’s wet. That’s why we think there can be parts of the truth that can be attained, and could be divided among methods, people, paths. There’s no such thing in reality. On the contrary, one who attains the Creator attains the same, One, whole reality – with Partzufim, Sefirot, etc. — that all others, in various times, attained. The same world. There is no other world to attain. So, either you did or you did not. And really, the method of attainment can’t be really really different, since it’s a system of laws standing between you and the Barrier to that world. And you need to change, to adapt to them, to feel that Upper World. How many different ways are there to speak to a human in this world and teach him how to do this? Not many.
thank you for the answer. I think I am starting to see your point. how did they know they attained it? because all of those who have attained were seeing the exact same reality, that’s why they know. because before that full attainment, everyone’ perception of the reality is always somewhat different, correct?
if you are able to attain that within this life time, what’s the point to continue living in this physical world?
thank you so much!
If you attained all 125 degrees, this world would disappear. But – few Kabbalists have attained all those degrees. And, there are some big surprises along the way.
What you said, that they knew they attained it because others saw the same reality and wrote about it, is a feature of attainment that may lend credibility for those who are below the Barrier to the spiritual world. But that’s not how they know. It’s more for the reasons I describe above and because there is a world of roots for everything that happens in our world, and they see this world of Causes and how the results traverse the Four Worlds to finally land in our perception. As opposed to our world where we literally have no clue why things are happening, and the cause and effect relationships we ascribe are utterly illusory.
through life Moses was someone who led the people out of slavery. How do we know he was a kabbalist?
You mean because there is a very old book, called the Torah, from which more modern people started making historical conclusions. While the reality is that that book was never a book of history, but a book discussing the interplay of spiritual forces one encounters on the way to the Upper World – and it’s just written using language that sounds like history. Within that story, one of the forces, a special one, is called Moses. Compared to others, he is a Kabbalist because he has attainment of the Upper Force.
I was reading “Great Kabbalists throughout history” and was wondering if “Adam, the first man” is the same Adam as described in the book of Genesis, Adam & Eve?
My motivation for things I used to find fulfilling is gone. I’m only interested in revealing the Creator in my life. Yet, I am in a place where I don’t see Him enough to take action in anything because I don’t want to draw further away from Him. I continue through my days and I am studying, but what should my prayer be? Should it be for an altruistic quality?
Hi Katrina,
The prayer should change. It’s from your current state, to the Creator. Knowing the goal of Creation, what is a prayer that you could truly ask now, your state +1?
Hi, I have one more question :-)). What defines marriage/ partnership in Kabbalistic understanding? And what defines dealing with all the people out there who are not interested in Kabbalah, as it may be a big part of interactions? (I have read a lot in the blogs, but the question is not yet answered in terms of its spiritual foundation…I am not sure if the question is on the point enough… but Iĺl leave it there) :-). Thanks
You can check these resources, and ask if you have questions.
27: https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/programs/cu/FJO71wTp?mediaType=video
38: https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/programs/cu/DezM5HMt?mediaType=video
414: https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/programs/cu/1OL85u9Y?mediaType=video
415: https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/programs/cu/1OL85u9Y?mediaType=video
And more blogs: https://kabbalahmedia.info/en/search?q=new%20life%20marriage
Hi Gianni, thanks so much for the input. The videos were really amazing, and I found there are a lot more… as it might be weeks to work myself through all of the others, if itś ok, I would like to sum it up to see if I am on the right track and ask some questions that raised while I was watching the first four. I am really sorry, I cannot condense this more and make it really short, but I am afraid to miss out on important points then. So please feel free to go about this as you like. Thank you :-)))
This is what I have understood so far:
In partnership, and specifically marriage, there are two levels of that relationship, the corporeal one an the spiritual one. In the corporeal level, in an ideal relationship between two partners, there are two movements. One means that they both move from their point of existence and self towards each other, step by step sacrificing their egoistic desires in order to meet the other in the center; this happens on the corporeal level. Most relationships happen on that level; and often enough that emptiness that is felt on this level plus the sacrifices that need to be given to meet the other, are enough to split up again, and get divorced, because there is no „plus“ felt, and it feels rather than being deprived of oneś freedom. However, if the partners reach the other in the center of their relationship, they may raise up to the spiritual level of their relationship, thus a third point is created above them; which is the point of connection. This elevates both of them, while being in this point of connection, itś also kind of bridging the gap between the two singles points of existence. When this happens, a triangle of relationship forms, with the point of connection being the top point. In this point of connection, itś about finding oneself in the other, which requires totally committing to the other. Starting from this point; a new thing is being developed … a cell.. which will allow new points for connection … and that is a family. (Question: is a family a spiritual new form?)
Struggles in relationships are „normal“ phenomena, because if we dońt feel each other in the uplifted point of connection, we will always feel our sacrifices, which we need to make to reach out to the other, first… so in order to meet each other, itś easier to follow the path of connection than the path of sacrifice. However, itś also possible to learn to follow the corporeal path, by choosing connection over conflict, by making an attempt to really enter the world of the other, being interested of what is the content of the partnerś world, by defining rituals that allow time to positively interact and take care, not waiting for demands or questions leading the process, but by positively and actively forming this connection. (Question: Is the corporeal level of a partnership the learning environment, the „playground“ to learn from, and grow from spiritually, so that it is simply necessary to learn how to sacrifice and grow together, or can we skip it be relying on spiritual connection?)
Marriage as a point of institutionalised connection means commitment, i.e. committing oneself to thorougly supporting the other in his or her spiritual development. It says in one of the videos that marriage is like a lever helping us to through that connection reach a higher level of spirituality. In that connection we may develop a new spiritual, neutral form, through which we may discover the forces that are operating on us, the laws of nature from a spiritual point of view. Marriage is like the birth of of the „couple“ as a spiritual entity, which is different than just the sum of the two partners. (Questions: Is a spiritually developing couple like Yin/Yang, spiritually complementing each other? is the sum more than the pieces and a new spiritual form? Is this form of spiritual growths predetermined?)
This is achieved by annulling towards the other, i.e. letting go of the egoistic desires that separate each other. Thus, in being married, when both partners are educated to develop spiritually, they may discover themselves to feel „whole“ rather than just „half“ a body through being with their partner. In a way, when we reach that point of relating to another person of marriage, we bring on our shattered selfs, and by being together, we try to complete each other. But also, we try to become something „new“… we try to create a „new form“. However, this will only work when the upper force, the force of natures, wraps around this new form, and helps to sustain it. Therefore, the wish to reach this point of connection, to hold on to it, to feel the deficiency in not being able to create and sustain it alone, it attracts the upper light. And it needs that upper force to cover that „new form“ and sustain it. This force, that the partners in a spiritual relationship seek to reveal, ist the force of mutual love, and thus the force of bestowal, the force of nature. (Questions: I am unsure about this..Did I understand that the right way? Is anulling oneself in front of the other in the spiritual level the same as making the sacrifices on the corporeal world, so that one is the mind to do so/ the feeling and the other the action that leads to it?)
So, if you read down to here, thanks a lot for your patience… this is really a crucial and very intriguing point for me… feel free to go about it as you like, I really appreciate your help. 🙂
Is a family a spiritual new form?
A family is rather a beastly form, a correct beastly form, but which has an Upper spiritual root, and because of that root one needs to also have the beastly form because, like all animals, one can’t feel whole without it, no matter what else he might have in this world.
Is the corporeal level of a partnership the learning environment, the “playground” to learn from, and grow from spiritually, so that it is simply necessary to learn how to sacrifice and grow together, or can we skip it by relying on spiritual connection?
We certainly can’t skip over the Creator’s creation. He is on the second story where access is granted depending on ones conduct on the lobby level.
Is a spiritually developing couple like Yin/Yang, spiritually complementing each other? is the sum more than the pieces and a new spiritual form? Is this form of spiritual growths predetermined?
We’re like puzzle pieces which don’t fit each other. The Light is the shape missing between us.
Is annulling oneself in front of the other in the spiritual level the same as making the sacrifices on the corporeal world, so that one is the mind to do so/ the feeling and the other the action that leads to it?
Realistically, it can’t happen in practice unless one succeeds first in a group of ten, as if the ten is their partner. Then one might know how to do it with their corporeal partner – because the breakage of Adam and Eve, from which the whole Shattering comes out, is the hardest and last to be corrected.
Hi, in addition to my previous (unfortunately very long…) message, I have been trying to simplify this with a graph, and actually I just wanted to ask if my understanding of this is correct, but either I am not getting this image uploaded or it takes very long and this thread will be spammed with my trials (sorry if so, please delete it…)… Iĺl try once more, but then Iĺl spare you from more attempts…
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