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- February 28, 2021 at 5:22 am EST #41585
Julian Edwards- KabU InstructorModeratorAsk anything about week 5 lesson and materials and get an answer from a senior Kabbalah instructor.
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- January 3, 2022 at 10:13 am EST #221328Etienne FourieParticipant
Hi
I would like to know about when and how we should (enter) form groups?
is it maybe still too soon and should I have more knowledge of Kabbalah.
- January 17, 2022 at 1:12 pm EST #222712Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
Yes, you should study first several materials as the group work is based on that study. You’ll get a group in the graduate environment.
- September 20, 2021 at 6:59 pm EDT #63366Erez DParticipant
Hello,
I have a question that any answers I find seem to contradict each other.
It is in regards to a screen and obtaining Lishma. I am reading now in the book The Science of Kabbalah volume one
“The “desire to receive” for ones own sake turns first into the desire to receive nothing at all. Then the “desire to give” everything to the Creator appears”
But in Shamati article 5 it states that
“Then, after all the deeds and the remedies, can the prayer be earnest, because he has seen that all his deeds brought him no benefit. Only then can he pray an honest prayer from the bottom of his heart, and the creator hears his prayer and gives him the gift of Lishma.”
My question is – if a person receives nothing for himself, to reach the stage of “emptiness” before TA, does he restrict or not restrict his desire for obtaining Lishma, should that be the only desire left? Because the desire itself would be egotistical before crossing the barrier. If it remains as the only desire, does that hinder you from obtaining it since it is a reward that you’re working for? If it doesn’t remain as a desire, then where is the prayer and the awakening from below?
I can’t seem to get past this contradiction. When a man realises that everything he does is for his own sake, that he is unable to perform any actions for the Creator, when a man truly realises this, how does he move forward? Even asking the Creator for the gift of Lishma would be an egotistical request..
- September 21, 2021 at 1:26 am EDT #63380Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
Hi Erez,
first, this won’t be the last time you’ll find a contradiction in Kabbalah. In every matter there are three lines, and they’re not all spoken of at once. There are the two lines, and then the middle that decides between the two, is born out of them.
Lishma is a miracle, that is only the Upper Force knows how to do this to a person. The person has to try, but all the while he’s doing so with the expectation that the Light will do what it needs to with him to make his wooden airplane a fighter jet. He has to keep going “vvvrrrroooom vrrrooom” as if he’s flying, but by this the Light, so to speak, accepts that this is what you want. We don’t have the ability on our own to make the Reatriction, nothing. Only by the Upper Light can anything spoken of by Kabbalists be realized, except our efforts in the somewhat correct direction according to the advice of Kabbalists.
- September 21, 2021 at 5:38 am EDT #63390Erez DParticipant
Thank you so much for your quick response
I understand that one must exert themselves fully and labor in order to find.. whilst at the same time Lishma is a miracle and comes from Above.. the middle line in this situation and the contradiction is not an issue for me.
My question is in regards to the actual desire of wanting Lishma and wanting to cross the barrier. Since man needs to reach a stage of “emptiness” before crossing, and needs to want to receive nothing at all. Does that include not wanting to receive Lishma? Since asking for it would be an egotistical prayer..
My confusion comes from this and how either a yes or no answer raises questions
if desiring Lishma is the way, then doesn’t that hinder you? Since you are working for that reward. You exert yourself hoping/waiting to receive Lishma. So it is not faith above reason. It is an egotistical request.
if desiring Lishma is not the way, then how can a prayer be raised for it since in Article 5 in Shamati it is stated that only once a true need/desire for it arises, will you be answered from Above.
it seems like an endless loop. You recognise your evil, and recognise that even asking for an escape is selfish. Yet the only way out of the evil is through Lishma. To actually do something not for yourself for once. Yet you feel guilty asking for it because you are asking for selfish reasons.
Thank you
- September 21, 2021 at 8:50 am EDT #63402Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
It turns out each time that there is no contradiction, even though on that plane of logic you’re right. Baal HaSulam writes that it is not within man’s mind to be able to understand how this thing called Lishma can arise. Rabash says that it is similar to how a person who only tells little fibs does not feel that he’s a dirty liar. Only by the accumulation of many lies does he realize what a liar he is. For us, this means we need many lies, meaning acts of Lo Lishma, in a kabbalistic group. We need to try to realize the law of reality – love of others as yourself. We need to try even though we know it will be egoistic. Because the ego doesn’t regally agree with this purely theoretical assertion that I’m an egoist without a shred of good in me. But with many acts of Lo Lishma, meaning acts of love of friends that I tried to do purely, in bestowal, with the intention to give the Creator contentment, during this the Upper Light shines and shows me what a liar I am. And then I have a true request to the Light because I see that only it can help. Without a group to practice this in I have only tiny white lies and I can’t see the extent of my desire for self alone, and thus I can’t really need Lishma, and without a genuine need it will never granted. But when I really see that I’ve already exerted all I could to hold myself permanently in love of others with the intention for the Creator and I was still egoistic in this, then, that miracle that is beyond man’s mind to comprehend, occurs. That is we get a new mind, heart, understanding. The quality of the Creator.
- September 21, 2021 at 9:14 am EDT #63407Erez DParticipant
Thank you very much
- January 22, 2022 at 10:01 pm EST #223188Sol BeloParticipant
Me too. thank you both for the question and the two replies.
- January 22, 2022 at 10:00 pm EST #223187Sol BeloParticipant
Me too. thank you both for the question and the two replies.
- August 19, 2021 at 4:31 pm EDT #59956Danielle VergonetParticipant
Hi there,
My question is seeing the last lesson. You are talking about building relationships. And being equal to the creator. What kind of relationships are they? Just honest relationships between each other or do you mean something different?
Kind regards Danielle
- August 20, 2021 at 7:18 pm EDT #60007Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
hi Danielle,
The relationships between us are always egoistic and opposite to the Creator. Anything that occurs to us to do is egoistic. We need to get our instructions from an outside source (Kabbalists) and we need to implement their advice with the help of a force that doesn’t come from within us (the Upper Force). Furthermore we need to practice in a place that does not accord with activities I might be doing already even if I wasn’t doing so in order to attain the quality of the Creator – like going to work, spending time with family. It has to be done with a group of students who also want to follow the same path.
- August 16, 2021 at 8:44 am EDT #59811RaizaParticipant
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Hi😊💫</p>
My first question is about the point in heart… How can we know Its activated in us?And second question is… If I want to choose a man for relationship, should he has an activated point in the heart?can he effects me at this point? And how can I understand his point is activated?
Best regards🙏
- August 16, 2021 at 10:38 am EDT #59814Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
Hi Raiza,
The authentic wisdom of Kabbalah a person cannot study if they don’t have a Point in the Heart. It has no special icons, prayers or customs to hold onto and promises you nothing in the afterlife. It gives you no prestige, but the opposite: no one will comprehend why you’re busy with this unless they too have a Point in the Heart. Anything else – yoga, a religion, some other ambition – they can somehow understand. But Kabbalah? Therefore a person gets the method by which a person can attain the quality of the Creator without being confused with the targets we typically aim for in this life.
As for a husband, you should choose one by the regular standards you would go by. A Point in the Heart is rare and it’s hard enough to find a spouse. It would be good if he knows you have this desire to realize the meaning of your life, if that is important to you. And of course, if it were possible it would be ideal if he had a Point in the Heart but you can’t in any way push that on a man. He either has it or he doesn’t. Meaning it’s awakened now or will later.
- August 15, 2021 at 4:58 pm EDT #59772PaulParticipant
From recommended reading : R E V E A L E D A N D C O N C E A L E D
Such an inversion requires a special process, called Segula(merit). Segula refers to an indirect process that traverses the Upper System, and then returns to the individual. Using Kabbalah studies, one draws nearer to the Upper, altruistic Thought. This Thought does not act upon the will to receive, or upon the ego, but rather on the altruistic point—the point in the heart.
The similarity of nature between the point in the heart and the Upper Thought creates a connection between them, and they possess the same nature. The Upper Thought acts upon the point and molds it into various patterns, which we perceive as seeming to exist outside of us, in the spiritual realm.
Actually, these Forms do not exist outside of us at all, but within us. As with the illusion that everything we see in this world is outside us, so is the case in the spiritual world. However,
when we acquire more spiritual Forms, we come to understand and to know the Thought that develops and builds these Forms within us.
During the process of coming to know this Thought, we build internal Forms that become increasingly similar to the Upper Thought. In so doing, we equalize ourselves with this Thought until it becomes the “self” of that person, after which one rises to the level where this Thought originated.
Question : Could you say more about Segula ? Here translated as merit, in another kabbalistic text translated as remedy. Is it becoming increasingly aware of the reshimot?
- August 15, 2021 at 6:20 pm EDT #59774Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
Hi Paul
Segula means remedy in Hebrew, it’s that simple. It’s called remedy because like when I go to the doctor with a serious illness I must take the medicine he prescribes, by using the knowledge of the doctor, and not relying on my knowledge, because I could die a few times over before I can acquire the medical expertise of the doctor; similarly when I discover I’m sick with a quality of reception that prevents me from revealing the Creator, due to the law of Equivalence of Form, I must simply grab onto the Kabbalists and follow their advice as a remedy. It doesn’t seem so to me? No problem. I take it as-is, like I swallow the medicine in the pill bottle. It’s the wise guy who thinks he knows better than doctors – even a little bit – who is actually the fool.
- August 12, 2021 at 11:03 pm EDT #59624Gianni – KabU InstructorModerator
Hi Camila, I’m sorry I missed this. The spiritual adaptor is the Screen, and this itself is quite complex. But in short, it’s the intention to bestow that is over the desire to receive, which has to have first undergone the Tzimzum (restriction). The Ark is something else but it’s related – although everything in Kabbalah is related since it speaks of a complete, interconnected system. You can read more about it here. https://laitman.com/2013/11/the-ark-of-the-covenant/
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