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    Gil
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    • #444638
      Clara
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      When it comes to connection there is the matter of receiving – receiving the other one, and for that openess is needed  – which is actually the “giving” – and the intention to receive the other one – otherwise connection cannot be made (side-question: this would be receiving in order to receive connection!? This discernment comes first now writing, was not my intention, but the way is put says also that receiving is the bestowal – this is it, right?)

      The (many) intended question(s): How can Keter (GE) from the lower one actually receive at all if it is pure bestowal? The connection between GE of the lower one and AHP of the higher one can be made only if GE receives in order to bestow? What process has the GE or Keter to be gone through so that it can receive? Does Keter contain Malchut, which would enable Keter to receive? And which is the “giving” of Malchut of AHP? The desire/intention for connection? This would mean that the Malchut is corrected in this case, but AHP means per se that it is uncorrected – or not? Is such desire/intention an act of bestowal?

      And if Keter/ GE would feel shame – then it won’t be a true Keter/GE, right? That means that “in order to bestow” is stable there, incorporated?

      This came up on basis of Shamati 17 yesterday and couldn’t ask completely. Thank you

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      • #444745

        How can Keter (GE) from the lower one actually receive at all if it is pure bestowal?

        It can bestow in order to bestow, be a passageway for the Light, assuming it can be completely above it. You’re allowed to enter the treasury, but do not touch, do not even look.

        What process has the GE or Keter to be gone through so that it can receive?

        Keter is pure bestowal, doesn’t receive.

        Does Keter contain Malchut? 

        Of course, all Sefirot are incorporated of all the others. But it’s Malchut of Keter. And that’s not the Malchut we’re talking about. So, no, Keter does not ‘contain Malchut’ in that sense.

        And which is the “giving” of Malchut of AHP? The desire/intention for connection? This would mean that the Malchut is corrected in this case, but AHP means per se that it is uncorrected – or not? Is such desire/intention an act of bestowal?

        Basically, bestowal to bestow means Equivalence of Form. I want to be connected, even as an embryo in the Upper One. Let’s say in all kinds of actions in the ten, for now, it’s in this direction.

        And if Keter/ GE would feel shame – then it won’t be a true Keter/GE, right? That means that “in order to bestow” is stable there, incorporated?

        Keter can’t feel shame because it’s only in bestowal. It lacks the material in which to feel shame, i.e. the Aviut of Malchut.

        And when we say “I don’t receive anything more” – what is ment by this? Because then we wouldn’t attend any lesson or meetings with friends, because we would receive. To connect means – also – to receive, is an aspect of connecting. I hear smth and can’t make it unheard, I received it.

        No, we’re allowed to receive all our necessities, the tiny pleasures of this world that don’t interfere with spirituality. The joy of connection, the joy of the study of Kabbalah, we have to receive. It’s not even called “reception”. Against those states, a person is given alternative states, in which I see that that reception was only to later be able to pay for it with my efforts. If I can fill my life with the joys of similarity with the Creator, through the ten, I’m in a very good state. The Will to Receive does not agree to live in this all the time, which is why one will surely have to receive help from the friends.

      • #444643
        Clara
        Participant

        And when we say “I don’t receive anything more” – what is ment by this? Because then we wouldn’t attend any lesson or meetings with friends, because we would receive. To connect means – also – to receive, is an aspect of connecting. I hear smth and can’t make it unheard, I received it.

    • #444623
      Marlaina
      Participant

      I look forward to Sunday, my 10 and friends. I also look forward to Tuesday and Thursday and I always feel good and clear. However, the next day, almost each time after the classes, I am having a terrible time. I go into a very deep descent and it frightens me. My husband and I have had a very challenging 3 years, from losing our home, to his sickness, to moving, to my daughter’s illness of 2 years then finally her death. Each time this happens, I cry desperately and beg God to help me. He always does and then I have relief. However, these deep lows scare me. I am studying and reading as much as I can and just sitting quietly. I have many deep incites also. It’s not just all happy/miserable. However, I would like it to even out a little. Do you have any other advice?

      • #444729

        The group will be your equalization tool. When you’re connected to them you will have the correct balance with everything else. If I am not connected to them, the forces of nature can do absolutely anything with me, and there will be no strategy that can counter them.

    • #444266
      Verena
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, there was an andwer from Rav saying „M. Laitman: That is, from the worst possible state that we are in, if we are able to connect with the Creator, then it can become the best possible state, the most beneficial, the strongest one because from the lowest state, I connect to the Creator who is the highest.“

      How is „lowest“ perceived? Is it a matter of distance from the creator? Of feeling separated?

      • #444325

        I measure. I feel I am in the lowest state, far, far from spirituality. It could be that I can’t imagine it’s worth even turning to the Creator from such lowliness and hopelessness. From exactly this state, there’s the most benefit in turning to Him.

    • #444241
      Verena
      Participant

      What is the right prayer to ask in terms of helping the ten develop? I understand we thrive to connect more and more, to learn to bestow, to learn to bring contentment to the creator. But how do I turn this to the creator? And does it actually make sense to ask as an indivual or does this prayer have to come from a deep deficiency of all the ten members to be heard at all?

      • #444246

        You can ask ask ask. In any way. Theres no exact correct prayer except one that is true. Try to find what is actually true. There is something that is true for the Point in the Heart, that you can actually ask truly.

    • #444240
      Verena
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, I understand that as we progress, the desires become coarser, the amplitude of decents and ascents higher, and at the same time we thrive for more and more connection, annulling before the friends more and more. I can relate to it if I think of it including the physical aspects of life. With respect to a virtual environment, where and how does this increasing coarseness show? And are there limits to virtual tens in terms of perceiving this coarseness or can this work all be done in this virtual realm with some exeptions of attending congresses physically?

      • #444243

        You can do it in a virtual environment. It’s many times stronger if you have at least attended a KabU retreat, as it builds a template for the work later on.

        You really just need to measure your attraction, repulsion, or indifference to the ten, your friends. Check this all the time. Because what happens is a deviation from unity with your friends, so that each is in their own thoughts, desires, direction. I like to retreat to being alone, in my own style, and not to be in unity with my friends. From there also comes all kinds of corporeality – but in what and how, we can’t say.

    • #443936
      Magsy Kapoor
      Participant

      Dear Gianni,

      I’ve watched the lessons and read the excerpts but I still don’t understand what this “Devotion” that is being talked about lately actually is. I can’t locate it inside me, neither in my heart, nor in my imagination so that I can aspire towards it. Can you please try to explain it in a way that will give me even a small grasp on it?

      Thank you ❤️

      • #444013

        “Devotion” is מסירות נפש (mesirut nefesh): complete annulment, absolute devotion

        It’s that I have just one desire – to adhere to the teacher, the friends, the Creator – above any and all states that pass through me. It’s a decision that I’m watching in advance that nothing can come that will pull me out of the ten. The center of the group pulls me left, right, wherever it wants, I go. Say, like a sperm’s journey to fertilize the egg – it has to be ready to make great efforts, only to practically have something completely different be made out of it, something that we can say somehow includes it, but also discards some external aspects of it. It has to be ready for whatever to be done with it. There’s such a process because of the spiritual process we’ll all have to go through to be born into the spiritual world. Except for us, these are all internal actions you can’t necessarily see on the person.

        • #444067
          Magsy Kapoor
          Participant

          This was exactly what I needed! Thank you!

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