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  • ami
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    That makes more sense. I started having these thoughts when I heard Dr. Laitman mention Shame in a lecture, that we experience Shame when receiving from the Creator because receiving highlights our opposite nature to Him.

    So if one has Shame towards receiving even the basic desires, then one could change the intent from receiving to bestowal upons one’s self of the Creator’s gifts, that way it is no longer purely selfish.

    Towards the end of the speech you linked, Rabbi Ashlag talks about inverting “bestowal into reception”, which is what I think I am getting at here: receiving as a form of bestowal, receiving in a way that elevates you to the level of the bestower.

     

    ami
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    Yes, but is there a way of changing the intention of the will to receive of basic necessities into a form of bestowal upon ourselves?

    If we are all one soul, then shouldn’t we treat ourselves and our desires in the same way we treat others with a will to bestow?

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    ami
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    But wouldn’t changing the intention of our will to receive into the will to bestow affect all other desires in our life?

    Or are we meant to continue being egoists and simply continue receiving all our physical/base desires?

     

     

    ami
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    Hey Seth,

    I do understand the first part about the only thing that was created was the will to receive.

    You then jump to “From this self love…”, but what if the person experiences so much shame around receiving that they haven’t reached that self love yet?

    Does changing the intention from receiving to bestowal also affect our relationship with receiving from the Creator, or is it purely in relation to other people?

     

    ami
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    I’m confused about the role of the physical/egoistic desires in Kabbalah.

    First, it looks like one has to progress through fulfillment of all levels of those desires before reaching spiritual desire, doesn’t that mean that Kabbalah is only for successful elites who have achieved “everything” in the physical world?

    Second, if that’s not the case, how do we continue to relate to those base desires after opening that point in the heart, or does bestowal only concern spiritual desires?

    ami
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    Thanks for the reply Seth

    I’d like to understand more about the role of bestowal, especially in regards to ourselves vs others.

    From what I can tell, Kabbalah doesn’t teach bestowal as simply giving to others at the expense of yourself.

    So how do we relate to bestowal in regards to our own desires/pleasure?

    Do we have to transform our will to receive into a form of bestowal upon ourselves?

    Meaning, we turn the receiving of our own desires/pleasures into an act of giving them to ourselves consciously, instead of just unconsciously taking?

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