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    Gil
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    • #475748
      Verena
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      There is another question… what is the definition true love in Kabbalah? It seems not to be in our words, it seems to be in the action… but it seems like a long-term goal to find out what it really is, and like we have very limited sensors to get there.

      I understand there is this approach to feel the resistance coming in the connection, and go above it… but is this an action of love? What else would be an action of love? And how can I grow towards truly loving others, even an inch closer? How can I make actions of overcoming count, so that it’s not just a mechanical action, but truly and acceleration in my efforts. Because it feels like we spend so much time in the same state , going through the same routines, having the same prayer… and nothing happens… and then I think if it’s a mechanical thing… if it’s just an obligation… the same again and again… does it change anything? Or how do we have to constantly increase our efforts, especially among friends? How do we really jump on that spaceship to accelerate and get into a new orbit? And where in all this is love? What is actually real love? How can we find out? How can we grow towards it and not deviate?

      • #475788

        Love is easy to define because I have a living example every moment of my life, of how I consider myself, plan for myself, and attend to the slightest imperfection, whether in the present or the future. Like this, I need to care for the friend’s spirituality. But for this I would need to nullify all my self-interest. But how will I live then? That’s what I think, but actually, 90% of my time turns out to be available for this, even after doing everything I need to secure my livelihood. But I don’t want to give my internal intentions to the friends because that’s against my nature. That’s why I need all kinds of exercises and the corresponding response of the Reforming Light to gradually change me.

    • #475747
      Verena
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, thanks so much for your recent answers:). How can we help feel each other that acceleration? How can we connect in such a way that we truly reach a new state? Is it a passive thing… or is it an active goal?

      • #475780

        Nothing will come passively. Time is not even considered to be passing. If I move my heart to connection with the friends that is aimed at adhesion with the Creator, let’s say a millisecond passed. By the Earth revolving the sun, only the boot to kick me is raising in the air. I need to run faster than the boot, and that’s doing more of these efforts than I did yesterday, or better, helping my friends to. This is primarily through the correct example of how to adhere to the spiritual path.

    • #475689
      Helen
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      Hi Gianni

      even after the correction, each soul is still unique and different. how to understand this? we receive & bestow in different forms based on our tendencies? I can understand the concept of receive in order to bestow with the Creator, what about between souls? our tendencies will all be corrected with the right intention but those tendencies remain as unique to each? how does those difference manifest?  it’s hard to imagine that type of uniqueness yet with equivalence of form.   I know this question has many layers of questions in it but maybe you have a simple way to explain.

      thank

      Helen

      • #475690

        Sure, it’s impossible to imagine what it is spiritually, but it’s like organs in a body, each unique and indispensable, and thus equally important. All are integral to the system of bestowal they belong to. Here, it’s to keep you alive. Spiritually, it’s to maintain the Masach [screen]. That’s what turns the raw matter into Adam [man], meaning Domay [similar] to the Creator. Together, we build the Screen, the Rosh [head] – whatever you wish to call it. Each has their own spiritual quality relative to this. We bestow to each other our participation in this system, but the main thing is we bestow to the Creator.

        • #475692
          Helen
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          so even after correction, there is still constant exaltedness to maintain the screen?

        • #475693

          The Screen means we only receive in a form of Equivalence with the Creator. So it’s forever and so is the connection with the friends.

        • #475694
          Helen
          Participant

          this somehow moved me deeply. thank you

    • #475590
      Verena
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      Gianni, what is the difference between leaving the path and changing one’s ten? I mean… of course… there IS a difference… but when people do change their ten- which part of this is leaving the path, which is breaking arvut, and which just a normal adapting process?

      • #475594

        It’s not a question because there’s no such thing as changing one’s ten except in some special case. The whole point of the ten is to work with it though you feel like leaving it or whatever. I need to change myself not my ten. So you’re saying that instead of changing myself I will change my ten? So then I will still be myself in the next ten and since I needed to change myself and not my ten, of course it will turn out that I have another problem in the new ten. The whole world is inside of me. My world is a projection. Wherever I go, I go nowhere but only have the illusion in my head that I’m going somewhere, but I’m in my VR headset and that’s it.

         

        • #475629
          Verena
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          Thank you, Gianni, This makes sense Actually , I am wondering, what are these special circumstances under which people may change their ten- no one can force them not to, I understand that-and it’s contra productive towards the goal, I understand as well…but changing of tens, it’s something I heard quite a few  times… the reasons were so different. For example , one wished to go to the morning lesson regularly and the rest of the group not. One wished to have a physical ten.  One moved time zones. But also one described being pushed out from his ten. One left because the others would not pay mazer… so anyways… it seems like we are all total egoists, it cannot get much worse, and at least a ten should have a minimum functional level.

          So… what is right here? And who is making a decision of what is considered a ten and what isn’t? I feel forcing people to make a step towards connection when they are not ready disrupts everything. And this part is my own experience. So… without any clarity, guidance and direction just holding on to a given decision… it simply did not work. I see the point… that it’s part of the work… but I see people getting lost, and that’s it. No change, no adding, no development. Just getting lost. This is why I don’t understand how I know what truly is a ten. A name in the Arvut room? An information? A telegram group? It must be much more than that… And I really don’t get how it is formed… if through structural decisions or naturally… you know, I understand that in a ten everyone should be able to work with everyone. But it doesn’t work always… so what’s the counsel then? If it does not work? And people just leave? Or cannot work anymore? Or get completely stuck? Is holding on still the golden rule?

          See, I am asking because this has been the status quo for three months now… and “holding on” can break you apart if there are two opposite directions and none seems functional.

           

        • #475764

          All kinds of special, specific cases that I’m not aware of, I can’t answer about. I can only provide the spiritual principle. The concept of tens comes from a situation described in the Torah where Yitro advises Moses about how to set up the tens, and Moses implements it. Crucially, the construction of the ten comes from above. I don’t know why I’m placed in this ten and not another; certainly, I would replace some or all of them if allowed to hand-pick. But from doing so, no spiritual benefit could follow. Most importantly, nullification to a decision that is outside of me is a rare opportunity and the only possibility of the result being spiritual.

    • #475589
      Verena
      Participant

      Gianni, what does it mean to truly trust in the creator? What should I trust in?

      I understand it’s a force of pure bestowal, always there, constitutiong everything there is… I understand there is the surrounding like working on us, the reforming light working on us… and I have no trouble with that…(just given that we are surrounded by a trillion things we don’t perceive like all the quantum particles)… all this feels so right both from the heart and mind.

      But then there comes life… it just happens with all these crazy twists and turns… and all the pain so many people go through… and I really have trouble to see the creator in this. Not because I don’t want to, hold a grudge or not want to justify him… I just really don’t understand this part of the game. If this is a peekabooh game… then what do I have to look out for? The pain feels real. And it eradicates these sensations of connection, or those states in a morning lesson. I cannot see the creator in this pain- so given this context, I struggle to understand what it means to trust the creator. Which perception and perspective does it need?

      • #475618

        Since He acts first, before I awakened the connection in the vessel where He can be revealed, He bestows nevertheless and this bestowal goes into my shattered vessel, and so it feels horrible the more the Light shines. Had I acted first, meaning had I awakened the connection in advance, I would have felt that Light as good. The whole world depends on me. I may be doing many actions in the ten and so on, but if I’m not accelerating, I’m not the first to act. The Creator is. So, that same Light that was supposed to fill a corrected Kli, inverts to the opposite of good (in my perception anyway, since this whole shattering is only in my broken eyeglasses).

        To ‘trust’ the Creator isn’t to believe it’s good when it’s horrible, but I need to believe the doctors of the soul, the Kabbalists, who alert me that I am currently ill. I have a condition that causes me to see the world as shattered. And I need to do the exercises they prescribe, in order to correct my vision. And that starts first of all with arranging this correct perception of reality, and then doing something about it.

        In the meantime, I need to locate the guidance of this None Else But Him through the concealment, and go with this guidance though it’s not the guidance I prefer. That’s why I generally don’t hear Him. To want to hear the Creator, who always pushes me toward connection, prefers this, and waits for nothing else, is one interpretation of ‘trust the Creator’.

        • #475631
          Verena
          Participant

          Thank you Gianni… now… in the morning lesson today, there were so many examples… and I understand it’s about making an effort in spite of everything given to a person . About trying to “turn over”… and that whichever movement there is… it’s about the effort, the change, the acceleration of development… and I wonder if only this is spiritual, because anything else is nature. Which makes me feel it’s still 95 percent “ nature”… meaning just humans versus humans, acting out the laid out script… which then would mean in all the pain, suffering, darkness… there is no creator there and no reason to call upon him, because this is just what humans do to humans and the creator is a force acting around it… but doesn’t meddle with the script itself. Is that so? I really wonder what to do with all the multiple imprints of pain this “natural” life leaves… what is it that people say or do when they suffer or see others suffer and they have Kabbalistic understanding? How do they go through such things as opposed to people who don’t have that “awakened point in the heart”?

        • #475688

          Yes, only the acceleration counts, what is more than what I did the day before, an hour before, a minute before. There is a certain amount of ground to cover, and I only cover more of it in the acceleration. That’s because just as there is no experiment you can do inside a smoothly moving spaceship to determine your “true” speed – whether going 1 mph or a million mph – you do not feel a change except in acceleration of your spiritual work – and there is no work except relative to you.

          No, we won’t be able to change the script but we should always call out to the Creator. In this, we can change ourselves, the more accurate our prayer is, and through changing myself, I change my perception, and then I see a better world. There’s no actual pain, like when I see that a whole trauma I just went through was all a dream. We just need to come out of this dream quickly.

    • #475570
      ilse
      Participant

      So if i understand everything right: all creatures in this creation are self-centered, even more, self-centeredness is the reason why we exist as a “separate” being, as an ego, as an “I”, with our self in the centre. This self-centeredness is evil because it’s the opposite of how the Creator is (all inclusive), and even when we do “good”, we do evil, because we are doing this good only for our self. Conclusion: this whole creation is evil, and to get rid of Satan, we must get rid of our self. But how can one get rid of himself ?

      • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 5 days ago by ilse.
      • #475585

        Satan, I don’t know. Let’s say, the ego. We get rid of it by being above it, in the ten. If I’m thinking of it, meaning of my interest, then I’m feeding it, it’s growing stronger. If I’m thinking beyond my skin, my investment in the ten, the Creator, is growing, and the ego is dying.

        • #475676
          ilse
          Participant

          Thanks Gianni. Well, i hope i can be part of a ten very soon (i don’t know when a new group will open?).

          • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 4 days ago by ilse.
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