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    Gil
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    • #462056
      Verena
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      Hi Gianni… there is another question… if I really wish to practice love of friends… how do I do that? How do I really see the friends as the most important, how can I truly aim at raising their spirit? I feel there are so many actions we do… posting stuff, going to classes or lessons… but it feels like going with blindfolders and hoping that maybe one of those actions counts. How instead of blindly following the herd can I be a true friend? I feel it‘s a „comfortable“ way to just go to lessons… and it’s a good start… but I could be going there without my heart being there for my friends…just switching my screen on  doesn’t mean at all that I would care or connect… I could be formerly there , and still not care. I don’t want that. So… HOW do I connect internally beyond keeping a formal frame of being present in a meeting, lesson etc?

      • #462109

        It depends how much I obligate myself internally to be present, tied to them. I have to be actively, proactively annulling myself so that my whole thought and existence is with them and in them, letting what is outside me decide everything for what is inside me. Then, through them, we hear the guidance of the Creator.

    • #462053
      Verena
      Participant

      Hi Gianni… this might be an awkward question, but I really wonder…. what makes a ten a ten??? I mean… in truth we are all connected, all and everyone. So … does that mean a ten could be with anyone? Is it interchangeable? If yes, then why don’t we keep changing… like in a congress… whoever sits next to us is our ten? Or then on the other hand… why are we being changed? And if any of this happens… how do I know, what is given to me, this is my ten? People are dropping out of tens… I heard people speak a lot about it in the congress. How do I know I am where I am supposed to be? And when is it time to move on? I don’t aim at that… but I understand there is a tendency to form physical tens now.

      You know, I am not asking for any organisational reason… I just really try to understand what constitutes a true ten, who may decide about when a ten is a ten, and how I should relate to it- in the awareness that all of humanity is connected anyways, and at the same time most of us cannot relate to it.

      • #462106

        In truth, I could work with any ten as my ten. But it’s not mature to change it often. That’s not a serious approach. Like animals that mate whenever wherever with whoever, vs. humans who need to choose one spouse, create a contract. That contract signifies a serious approach. It’s best if some system higher than me decides for me, and I only agree, sign, and stick to it from then on. Then, that “other” (the spouse or the ten) is my place of work. Only I need to change toward them. And I have the foreseeable future to do so.

    • #461938
      Jonathan
      Participant

      How should a Kabbalist practice forgiveness?

      • #461951

        In the ten? I need to treat every day as brand new. All that happened before, was the Creator. What happens in the future though, is up to us.

        Outside of the spiritual group, there are further calculations because that’s the egoistic world where, for example, if I’m seen as a pushover, a “bestower” if you will, I’ll be quickly steamrolled. But on the inside, I should be just like in the ten toward the whole world. I hold onto nothing, as it was all the Creator. That’s really how it is. But outside, I need to pretend, and behave as would be considered normal in our society. A Kabbalist can’t be identified on the outside by his behaviors.

    • #461624
      Verena
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, in the work in the ten, how do I balance annulment and bestowal and Connection so it serves the purpose of the ten, ?

      • #461625

        I have to annul myself to such an extent that I’m able to connect with them. Otherwise, if I’m still big, filled with my opinion and my importance, then I simply don’t connect with them. If I connect with them, from within that connection, I can annul myself further, where annulment comes to mean that I serve them. Because I connected with them, I feel them, their desires that are opposite to mine even, and I serve those desires, help them to be realized in fact.

    • #461098
      Magsy Kapoor
      Participant

      Dear Gianni,

      We are a ten, made up of what used to be two separate tens that recently merged into one. Do you have any practical advice on what we can do to come to real unity and integrate into each other seamlessly? What should each of us do individually and what should we do together as a ten?

      Thank you ❤️

      • #462051
        Verena
        Participant

        Dear Gianni, thanks for the answer on annulment ( Here is a follow up question (I put it in the wrong thread, sorry, so here it is again): Your answer was  bringing me a bit closer… yet I feel it’s still confusing so I hope it’s ok if I add another bit to this question: It seems like outwardly annulment can easily be done in the ten… „let the friends choose first, let the friends decide, I follow the group, let them speak , not me“… and I feel this could be annulment , but it could also be laziness or withdrawl … it could even be refusing to serve the friends, because maybe they would need my help or input. Or maybe they would wish to bestow on me, and by not showing myself, I am not allowing them to do that. So… what should lead my actions? How do I truly annul and not withdraw myself? How do I do these actions for my friends, and not for myself? What needs to be my intention in any of these actions, so it can be truly beneficial for my friends?

        Thank you:)

        • #462110

          There is always a negative side, a way that the ego knows how to steal your advancement. Annulment is always against my Will to Receive. It’s very active and non-relaxing. The fetus has great work to be annulled all the time and not be aborted. Sometimes it could be to follow others in how they connect, sometimes I need to push them so they’ll connect. Neither is a state of rest. If I’m nullifying my Will to Receive, I always feel it in disagreement with the act.

      • #462050
        Verena
        Participant

        Dear Gianni, thanks for the answer. It’s bringing me a bit closer… yet I feel it’s still confusing so I hope it’s ok if I add another bit to this question: It seems like outwardly annulment can easily be done in the ten… „let the friends choose first, let the friends decide, I follow the group, let them speak , not me“… and I feel this could be annulment , but it could also be laziness or withdrawl … it could even be refusing to serve the friends, because maybe they would need my help or input. Or maybe they would wish to bestow on me, and by not showing myself, I am not allowing them to do that. So… what should lead my actions? How do I truly annul and not withdraw myself? How do I do these actions for my friends, and not for myself? What needs to be my intention in any of these actions, so it can be truly beneficial for my friends?

        Thank you:)

      • #461246

        It will happen, no problem. You’re a new ten, building everything from the ground up. There are no styles or agreements from the past. Everyone is nullified to this new form. You only move forward together, even if that’s slower. What’s right is only what you decide unanimously.

    • #460725
      Helen
      Participant

      Hi Gianni, in today’s “Sunday meeting with Friends”, we read ” Study of the Ten Sefirot – Inner Observation – Vol. 1, Part 1″ :

      “One” indicates a single evenness. “Unique” implies that everything that extends from Him, all these multiplicities, are in Him as single as His self. “Unified” shows that although He performs the multiple operations, one force performs all these, and they all return and unite in the form of One. Indeed, this one form swallows all the forms that appear in His operations.

      my question is: this seems to imply that the creature and the creator are ONE. I thought we do NOT know the essence of the creator, we only attain our relationship with him, if so, how did we conclude Him and us are ONE? I am probably not understanding this in a right way.

      thank you!

       

       

       

      • #460726

        It’s simply that this doesn’t speak about His Essence nor does anything else in the wisdom of Kabbalah, except when they mention Atzmuto (His essence), which they only bring up here and there to explain that they’re never going to talk about that, so if it seems that they are, be assured that they are not. They only speak of the names of the Creator, meaning the forms in which we attain Him.

        • #460754
          Helen
          Participant

          thank you to clarify that. if we do not even know his essence, how did we conclude we are one? equivalence of form? but we do not have that equivalence of form yet.  even when we do in the future, he is still the creator and we are the creature. what am I not understanding or missing?

          thank you for being so patient with us.

           

          Helen

        • #461025

          We don’t need to deal with His Essence, and we can’t.

          We need to reach Equivalence of Form with our first spiritual degree – the minimal equivalence in which He can be revealed. then, we will attain one of His names (but not His essence, and many degrees of further equivalence with Him stand before us, before that, anyway).

          We attain Him only by way of “by Your actions, we know You,” meaning through Equivalence of Form. But just because we reach this, doesn’t mean He stops being the Creator or that we become the Creator. No. He remains the Creator, we remain the Created Being, who was created to reach equivalence, called adhesion, with the Creator.

        • #461032
          Helen
          Participant

          something just clicked in me. is this Oneness referring to his form/quality, which is pure bestow, despite in our perception there are so many different qualities in opposites forms in this world as well as how we perceive him. when we acquire his quality, we will be becoming one with him in quality but we remain as different entities, he is the creator, we are the creature.  am I close this time?

          thanks

          Helen

        • #461247

          You have to learn about this by being in the quality of oneness. And that will be called attaining Him. You attain Him, Equivalence with your first degree of oneness, discover His quality in this, and that’s called attaining Him. You attain Him with your Kli [vessel], in this way.

          In the meantime, we feel division, the opposite of oneness, due to the multiplicity of desires to receive in us. But later, we have only one desire: to bestow.

        • #461027
          Helen
          Participant

          I am still trying to understand oneness. is it like the Creator includes all reality (and us), that is the Oneness. but the creature is only part of that Oneness. He is the whole oneness? But I thought the creature didn’t exist in the creator before he created it. the creation is existence from absence.

          so what is this ONE referring to? and what’s the creature’s relationship to the ONE?

          thanks

          Helen

        • #462108

          We only understand this when our attitude to all that is outside of us is like that of the Creator. It is written, “one receives one.” When I am like Him, I feel this oneness.

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