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  • Verena
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    I just wanted to drop a big, truly felt thank you. The workshop experience was very beautiful 🥰.

    Verena
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    If the workshop is intense, it may lead to feeling really connected and thus really uplifted (that’s at least how it felt to me in the retreat). Anyways, getting back to daily life… it’s a big contrast. And feeling that disconnection afterwards might feel harsh. There was some advice how to prepare before the workshop… Is there any advice on how to go abthis sfter the workshop is finished and the effect fades away?

    Verena
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    I am looking forward to the experience, and to unite in this way.. equal and in the intention towards the others. It’s special ❤️

    Verena
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    Connecting to others means a different level of energy, and thrive. In terms of a Kabbalistic group itś opening up the door to something new, because the energy that arises from the connection itself is making a difference, and can be very uplifting. In a way if you really connect it means moment of overcoming that loneliness we often feel in our human state. It also means developing a learning environment. It may also mean exposition to different emotions and states reflecting to the relationships to these individuals, or relationship patterns that may be older, and getting a chance to learn by reflecting on that. Finally, a group through its composition of people is a little bit like itś own organism… and while there are common patterns, each group might have some quite unique way of interaction and dynamics.

    Verena
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    Hi, in addition to my previous (unfortunately very long…) message, I have been trying to simplify this with a graph, and actually I just wanted to ask if my understanding of this is correct, but either I am not getting this image uploaded or it takes very long and this thread will be spammed with my trials (sorry if so, please delete it…)… Iĺl try once more, but then Iĺl spare you from more attempts…

    Verena
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    Hi Gianni, thanks so much for the input. The videos were really amazing, and I found there are a lot more… as it might be weeks to work myself through all of the others, if itś ok, I would like to sum it up to see if I am on the right track  and ask some questions that raised while I was watching the first four. I am really sorry, I cannot condense this more and make it really short, but I am afraid to miss out on important points then. So please feel free to go about this as you like. Thank you :-)))

    This is what I have understood so far:

    In partnership, and specifically marriage, there are two levels of that relationship, the corporeal one an the spiritual one. In the corporeal level, in an ideal relationship between two partners, there are two movements. One means that they both move from their point of existence and self towards each other, step by step sacrificing their egoistic desires in order to meet the other in the center; this happens on the corporeal level. Most relationships happen on that level; and often enough that emptiness that is felt on this level plus the sacrifices that need to be given to meet the other, are enough to split up again, and get divorced, because there is no „plus“ felt, and it feels rather than being deprived of oneś freedom. However, if the partners reach the other in the center of their relationship, they may raise up to the spiritual level of their relationship, thus a third point is created above them; which is the point of connection. This elevates both of them, while being in this point of connection, itś also kind of bridging the gap between the two singles points of existence. When this happens, a triangle of relationship forms, with the point of connection being the top point. In this point of connection, itś about finding oneself in the other, which requires totally committing to the other. Starting from this point; a new thing is being developed … a cell.. which will allow new points for connection … and that is a family. (Question: is a family a spiritual new form?)

    Struggles in relationships are „normal“ phenomena, because if we dońt feel each other in the uplifted point of connection, we will always feel our sacrifices, which we need to make to reach out to the other, first… so in order to meet each other, itś easier to follow the path of connection than the path of sacrifice. However, itś also possible to learn to follow the corporeal path, by choosing connection over conflict, by making an attempt to really enter the world of the other, being interested of what is the content of the partnerś world, by defining rituals that allow time to positively interact and take care, not waiting for demands or questions leading the process, but by positively and actively forming this connection. (Question: Is the corporeal level of a partnership the learning environment, the „playground“ to learn from, and grow from spiritually, so that it is simply necessary to learn how to sacrifice and grow together, or can we skip it be relying on spiritual connection?)

    Marriage as a point of institutionalised connection means commitment, i.e. committing oneself to thorougly supporting the other in his or her spiritual development. It says in one of the videos that marriage is like a lever helping us to through that connection reach a higher level of spirituality. In that connection we may develop a new spiritual, neutral form, through which we may discover the forces that are operating on us, the laws of nature from a spiritual point of view. Marriage is like the birth of of the „couple“ as a spiritual entity, which is different than just the sum of the two partners. (Questions: Is a spiritually developing couple like Yin/Yang, spiritually complementing each other? is the sum more than the pieces and a new spiritual form? Is this form of spiritual growths predetermined?)

    This is achieved by annulling towards the other, i.e. letting go of the egoistic desires that separate each other. Thus, in being married, when both partners are educated to develop spiritually, they may discover themselves to feel „whole“ rather than just „half“ a body through being with their partner. In a way, when we reach that point of relating to another person of marriage, we bring on our shattered selfs, and by being together, we try to complete each other. But also, we try to become something „new“… we try to create a „new form“. However, this will only work when the upper force, the force of natures, wraps around this new form, and helps to sustain it. Therefore, the wish to reach this point of connection, to hold on to it, to feel the deficiency in not being able to create and sustain it alone, it attracts the upper light. And it needs that upper force to cover that „new form“ and sustain it. This force, that the partners in a spiritual relationship seek to reveal, ist the force of mutual love, and thus the force of bestowal, the force of nature. (Questions: I am unsure about this..Did I understand that the right way? Is anulling oneself in front of the other in the spiritual level the same as making the sacrifices on the corporeal world, so that one is the mind to do so/ the feeling and the other the action that leads to it?)

    So, if you read down to here, thanks a lot for your patience… this is really a crucial and very intriguing point for me… feel free to go about it as you like, I really appreciate your help. 🙂

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