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    • #361855
      Varda kahalany
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      When you say ‘The creator WANTS to bestow : – then it means that the Creator also has a desire , which is to give. And so, when the creature receives the light and ‘fulfills’ the Creator , does it mean that the Creator too has a desire to RECEIVE this fulfilment ? I mean that actually the will to receive is included in the light, at the very beginning,  and when the creation unfolds this desire is actually going into the creature (or Kli). Otherwise, if the Creator only wants to bestow then there is no question of ‘fulfilling’ him . I sound confusing even to myself but I would really like to understand it a bit. I am aware that we have a capacity of understanding in terms of what we know in our physical reality, so maybe at this point it is so confusing because I still did not develop enough ‘the point in the hearth’ that allows to slowly perceive the upper worlds ?

      • #361906

        These are reasonable assumptions according to what we feel, but no, the Creator doesn’t have a desire. He is the quality of bestowal. But if you want, you can think that He has a will to bestow, but his deficiency is in others, only that they will be fulfilled, and He gets contentment when the good goes entirely to the other.

    • #361029
      Willie
      Participant

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    • #359774
      Zach Ansel
      Participant

      In the 4th phase where it speaks of “the pleasure of controlling the creator”, is that referring to developing the desire to bestow, which is opposite to will to receive that the creator originally bestowed? (If that makes sense)

      • #359796

        The desire to control the Creator – in that He wants to bestow to my desire to receive and thus it’s as if I’m controlling Him – is the ultimate Will to Receive. I’m not yet thinking how to bestow to Him, but that now it’s as if I’m the ruler and He is my subordinate.

    • #357036
      Kima
      Participant

      I have been wondering why all Four phases of direct light are called “She” Is this referring to the Shechina?

      Also, does it mean that women were the first spiritual beings to be created and not men?

      • #357071

        Let’s not add words like “Shechina” and woman here – they don’t exist yet. “She” has no more significance than calling the outlet and plug by the names “male” and “female” as electricians do.

    • #356949
      Kima
      Participant

      You said that The Light of Hochma was expelled. What do you mean by that? Is it possible to reject what you already received? And what if the giver refuses to take it back?

      • #356965

        In Hochma the Light is received. Bina is a new Phase that only has the Light of Hassidim, and not the Light of Hochma. The Creator doesn’t need to take anything back. The Light that is expelled becomes Surrounding Light to the vessel.

        • #357032
          Kima
          Participant

          If Bina didn’t have the same light as Hochma, then why is it called four phases of direct light and not four phases of a different light? Because this concept of direct light somehow means that the light was the same.

          What is a phase?

          The light of Hochma was expelled. How did Hochma expel the light? What mechanism did Hochma use to expel the light?

        • #357069

          “Direct Light” means without a Screen on behalf of the Desire. All is done from Above. That’s the meaning of Direct Light.

          A Phase is a discrete state with specific qualities. They’re divided in this way for us to understand, even though it is one Kli, and the beginning of each change starts in the previous Phase.

          The mechanism used to expel the Light is the change in Desire. The Light fills it according to its desire.

    • #339857
      Kima
      Participant

      Why is it called Four Phases of Direct Light and Why not four phases of Opposite Light?

      • #339869

        Well, that’s above my pay-grade. But it’s Direct Light, direct reception without the intermediary Masach (Screen). All the names of things are according to the user, i.e. relevant to the Created Being – and what the Created Being needs is not to receive directly, but only with a Restriction, Screen, and Reflected Light.

        • #357035
          Kima
          Participant

          This concept of the four phases of Direct Light is very confusing.

          If the Creator’s intention was not for us to receive directly, then, that means all of our work is to build this screen on top of every phase of our development. I think that is very difficult.

           

        • #357070

          Yes, but that’s what stands before each of us.

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