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  • Verena
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    Is there only conscious prayer or also unconscious prayer? I am just thinking of infants or children because of the analogy of the bond between mother and baby…is there any such thing as a natural , uneducated connection that those little ones can feel or draw? Or is this the stage where they feel just abandoned? I know birth is considered as being traumatic in itself partially because of the loss of overall protection and care… but how is it considered in terms of spirituality?

     

    Verena
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    Well, I dońt know for sure, since I have not been working in a Kabbalistic group yet, but I assume it means to listen to the others carefully, and with an open heart, to help them to reflect their experiences and encourage them to  keep going… with the knowledge and understanding gained so far. And I would suppose , working with each other this way itself creates a new energy and connection, which I would consider to be an important  goal of coming together. I am excited to try … 🙂

    Verena
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    Thank you, this is very helpful… and I really appreciate the link… itś exactly how it feels, so I feel  I am starting to get it now :-))

    Verena
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    I am very thankful to learn about the spirituality of connection, and I am impressed by its inner logic. I feel a bit torn about the linear description of development, as life often doesńt seem to follow linear processes, but I am also getting that there will be enoughs ups and downs in each phase, setbacks includes, in order to grow, because these dynamics may be inherent at any stage. Kabbalah right now feels very natural, and true, but also different to what I knew and learned about spirituality before, and the quality of how it feels or works in me is very different to what I felt so far.  Therefore, itś kind of saying goodbye to some warm/ heartfelt connection that I used to gain easily, and changing it to something I have not even attained yet.. that is a big decision. However, I am also getting this focus on connection and atruism is what has always been missing, and therefore I feel very confident to be on the right track, and so far it doesńt matter to me which stage I am in, because all I would like to do, is to give this process a chance to focus my intention on bestowal, the chance to share that development with others.

    Verena
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    Hi Albert, I just saw you answered a lot of this in a previous threat in that we are never going backwards, and are not in multiple stages at the same time (I just cannot edit my question anymore). So, basically, most is answered already,  I am just wondering what this stage of feeling like being drawn back and forth, of sensing the creator and then being pushed back into darkness, of sensing  and then losing the sensation of „love thy neighbour as thyself“ on various levels refers to. Is this correction? And then the other question about how correction works on us and the whole remains for me. How often do we have to go through a correction to make it last in us and around us?

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    Verena
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    Hi, are we passing through the stages of development one after the next, or are we going back and forth, or even experience different stages of spiritual development at the same time depending on our environment or inner states?  Like a child sometimes goes through different phases of development step by step (like from turning over, to sit, to crawl, to stand, to walk) versus sometimes seems to be at different stages of maturity at the same time  (like a child can be really immature in kindergarden, but reasonable when being with an older sibling or suddenly seeming to mature when being placed in a school environment)? I understand that as we start to grow our point in the heart and start to work on correcting our ego, we might just sometimes loose track, stumble back, and feel surrounded by darkness, and then there is a new revelation coming up. And sometimes it may seem clear and light to „love thy neighbour as thyself“ and then again it seems that doubts are closing this up… is this referring to a specific stage of development, or is it that we are just dropping down to an early stage then? And the same with „corrections“… if you have corrected a specific state / egoistic trait… do you have to go through it multiple times before it lasts? I once read to correct a specific human behaviour you may need up to a 1000 times of practice… (depending on what you want to correct, of course, and on how high the resistance is)… but how lasting are corrections? And actually, do they have to be lasting or is it like lighting a match, that lights a piece of wood, that lights a fire…?

     

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